To me, one of the crux of this entire thing is the terminology that lays a foundation for the rest of the evidence. As said in this video, the "code words from the FBI" basically dont exist and the codewords were basically created by a /pol/ user during the investigating, except cheese pizza....and for anyone who's not an internet noob and was on 4chan in the early dates know that the term was basically coined by them and other chan sites early on to refer to child porn (users referencing it as cp, other users asking what's cp, then people jokingly saying "cheese pizza" which caught on as a meme of sorts and inside joke)
This would explain why a lot of pizzagate "researchers" are kids in their teens or early twenties, as they werent around 4chan in the early days (when it was actually good).
once you realize cheese pizza is a meme basically created by kids on 4chan, the rest of the evidence starts to fall apart when you realize you have to assume that 50-60 year old politicians who dont understand the internet at all would be using terminology from a niche site that 90% of people on the internet dont even know about or visit.
Especially when, as clearly detailed in the video from that pizzagate researcher who said alephantis threatened his family, it's pretty clear even alephantis doesn't know anything about the internet. (had to ask what a "mod" was)
Am I just way off base here? Are my assumptions correct? I'm not trying to slam pizzagate here, just struggling internally whether there's any legitimacy to it.
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Ushil ago
This term as code for child pornography was long in use before pizzagate
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cheese%20pizza
Of course it isn't known to the average man if only pedos use it.
chris ago
Im not sure what point you're trying to make. I said cheese pizza is a term created in the early days of 4chan, not during pizzagate?
DarkMath ago
@Ushil is pointing out the Urban Dictionary lists it as a code word and that's outside of /pol and 4chan.
You could make the argument that the Urban Dictionary definition was made by someone from 4chan but you have no proof of that. You're just speculating basically.
I've been here since last December and I can assure you all those code words exist in the Pedophile world. The only question is whether they were just coincidences in the Wikileak emails or a sign of foul play.
Make sense? The question isn't do the words exist but HOW they were used in the Wikileaks emails.
chris ago
Where? Where does it reference that? Alls I see is posts from 2010 or later saying its referencing child porn, the very top one referencing hashtags specific to 4chan.
Again, as I said in my other comment thread with you, the fact that they show up in wikileaks emails would only be relevant or significant if there were proof those words existed before pizzagate. The only phrase that can be verifieid to have existed (cheese pizza) doesn't show up in the podesta emails at all.
DarkMath ago
"Where? Where does it reference that? "
http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=cheese%20pizza
chris ago
What in the hell are you showing me, that's the same link?
DarkMath ago
"same link"
I just saw that 2010 date. Sorry about that. The answer's still the same. You're speculating that any reference to anything used on the Urban Dictionary page that is also on 4chan invalidates the UD page.
There's evidence of all these words being pedophile code words. Search voat, use Google you'll find the evidence.
chris and @Millennial_Falcon
I would provide links to where the code words came from but I'm getting the feeling you two are not interested in objectivity. Mill_Fal you set off my shilldar the past few weeks by deleting some of my posts and never responding when I asked what I had done wrong and how to correct it.
I'm going to treat this as a test of your willingness to be objective. You are more than welcome to prove me wrong by finding 2 or 3 of of the voat pages referencing evidence about those code words.
If you're objective you'll find some of those pages here on voat and respond with them. If you can't find them then you fail the test.
:-D
chris ago
That's not speculation, that's where the phrase originated lol.
No, YOURE MAKING THE CLAIM. You should have whatever evidence you used to make your opinion handy or at least be able to reference it using english.
Why would I not be interested in objectivity when I MADE THIS FUCKING POST. for fucks sake.
This is the biggest "i dont actually have any hard evidence" copout ive ever seen.
let me reference something for you that you clearly dont seem to udnerstand:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Burden_of_proof_(law)
Even your fellow pizzagate researchers admit that there no evidence the phrases exist.
DarkMath ago
"This is the biggest "i dont actually have any hard evidence" copout ive ever seen."
No it isn't. There is evidence and references to it are here within /v/pizzagate and those references aren't 4chan or Urban Dictionary. You can find them easily using Google's advanced search. I just looked up a few of them myself to verify.
Sorry. You're either a shill or a useful idiot.
:-D
chris ago
Says the guy that's dancing around the fact that he can't provide any evidence to back up his claims even when asked politely. Fuck outta here dude, you're transparent as fuck.
DarkMath ago
"can't provide any evidence"
Chris I just told you I searched and found the evidence 10 minutes ago here on voat. Whether it's real or not is another matter. But THERE ARE POSTS here on /v/pizzagate that point to how those words came to be known as pedophile code words. A child could find the links.
Bee tee dubs have you ever heard of the "Underground Kid Fucker Railroad"?
https://twitter.com/KibBitzLaw/status/883344009057509376
No?
Yeah it's bad. Really fucking bad. It's not as bad as when Victory of Light found the evidence a Strafor employee had advanced knowledge of 9/11 in the Wikileak emails.
Still it's bad.
:-D