PGIsretarded is obnoxious but exactly right. There is no proof for the "code words" being anything other than awkwardly phrased sentences. There's a maximum 20 emails that I've seen cited (of the decades worth of emails) that have been cited by pizzagaters as "proof of code words". A majority of them are so innocuous that I believe a random survey of people would not even understand how anyone could find them unusual. The other three or four have very normal awkward phrasing which happens sometimes, especially with people as busy as they are who are sending out quick emails sometimes with their phones.
Could "pizza for an hour" simply be an awkward phrasing of "let's eat pizza in an hour"? or what if he was saying he has an hour free to eat dinner? aren't those mundane and very plausible explanations? How did anyone come to the conclusion that "pizza for an hour" is code. Here's the entire message, actually written by Tony Podesta, which people here always mix match and attribute wrong words to the wrong sources (almost as if people here were bad at critical thinking):
Mary not free
Would love to get a pizza for an hour? Or come over
Do you really want to put forward "pizza for an hour" as proof of a code used by a secret criminal organization when just before he says that he typed "Mary not free". That's a more awkward phrase, is that a code too? Or is the more likely explanation that he's distracted and typing the message out quickly? You're an """""investigator"""" you tell me what's more likely?
I understand the reluctance to believe that these are code words and it's merely circumstantial. But yes, as an investigator I would also take that into consideration when creating a profile of the perp. Especially in the case of child sexual abuse.
Pizza for an hour was the 1st one that came to mind. The most awkward and hard to decipher email IMO is the email with "P.S - do you think I'll do better playing dominoes on cheese than pasta?"
I do understand that you can simply replace "on" with the word "with" and it sounds normal. But I'm not asking you to correct the grammar or sentence structure. I'm asking about THOSE words specifically like pizza and cheese and pasta be replaced.
But I'm not asking you to correct the grammar or sentence structure. I'm asking about THOSE words specifically like pizza and cheese and pasta be replaced.
But this is my point, "Mary not free" is grammatically incorrect and just after that he says something that's awkwardly phrased. How can you look at "mary not free" and agree that that's almost certainly a grammatical error but exclude that from being an option in the very next sentence.As a fellow investigator I have to question your skills here. Always search for the most mundane and likely explanation. Mundane is almost always the truth. You have a long way to go before getting to code words.
The most awkward and hard to decipher email IMO is the email with "P.S - do you think I'll do better playing dominoes on cheese than pasta?"
That one really surprises me, I would love to put together a real random survey because I have heard that view expressed often on here. That that sentence is so awkwardly worded that it has to be code. I would love to see what a survey of people who asked what the meaning of that sentence was. I can almost guarantee that a vast majority of the people will interpret that sentence to be a joke about what his chances of winning a game were if he were eating cheese or pasta (as in "do you think I'll do better playing football on gatorade than water?"). It's a joke about the "stakes" of the game. This sentence is so innocuous I'm confused how anyone could interpret it differently unless english wasn't their native language.
Last time this email came up I did some investigation into it ( a concept that seems completely foreign to people on here). The email was sent by Hertbert Sandler, a quick google search shows that he is 85 years old so you have to imagine the things your grandfather (depending how old you are) would do and say. In other words I think you would agree that the fact that he is elderly makes it at least a little more likely that he wasn't participating in a BDSM rape orgy (like the code words would have you believe) but that maybe he was actually playing dominoes and making corny jokes like every elderly grandfather ever. He actually mentions dominoes a few times in the emails he also says " Susan whipped Sherry and me at Dominos. Using the Podesta method, she made up the rules as we played.". Man that really sounds like they're actually playing a game. That's actually about the entirety of that email to which John replies that he had fun too.
Also how would you interpret this email ? Is it a coincidence that dominoes is a game that comes in sets ? Would you refer to bdsm as a 'game' and that you would like to 'get a set'? Also this email was sent by a Susan from the Sandler center and a quick Google search shows that herb sandler has a daughter Susan. So isn't the most likely explanation that his daughter joined in the dominoes game one night and they all had a nice boring (mundane) evening?
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Magonia ago
Yeah cuz we wrote Podesta's emails and asked about getting dinner or "pizza for an hour" fuck outta here with that shit.
JUNOAK ago
PGIsretarded is obnoxious but exactly right. There is no proof for the "code words" being anything other than awkwardly phrased sentences. There's a maximum 20 emails that I've seen cited (of the decades worth of emails) that have been cited by pizzagaters as "proof of code words". A majority of them are so innocuous that I believe a random survey of people would not even understand how anyone could find them unusual. The other three or four have very normal awkward phrasing which happens sometimes, especially with people as busy as they are who are sending out quick emails sometimes with their phones.
Could "pizza for an hour" simply be an awkward phrasing of "let's eat pizza in an hour"? or what if he was saying he has an hour free to eat dinner? aren't those mundane and very plausible explanations? How did anyone come to the conclusion that "pizza for an hour" is code. Here's the entire message, actually written by Tony Podesta, which people here always mix match and attribute wrong words to the wrong sources (almost as if people here were bad at critical thinking):
Do you really want to put forward "pizza for an hour" as proof of a code used by a secret criminal organization when just before he says that he typed "Mary not free". That's a more awkward phrase, is that a code too? Or is the more likely explanation that he's distracted and typing the message out quickly? You're an """""investigator"""" you tell me what's more likely?
Magonia ago
I understand the reluctance to believe that these are code words and it's merely circumstantial. But yes, as an investigator I would also take that into consideration when creating a profile of the perp. Especially in the case of child sexual abuse.
Pizza for an hour was the 1st one that came to mind. The most awkward and hard to decipher email IMO is the email with "P.S - do you think I'll do better playing dominoes on cheese than pasta?"
I do understand that you can simply replace "on" with the word "with" and it sounds normal. But I'm not asking you to correct the grammar or sentence structure. I'm asking about THOSE words specifically like pizza and cheese and pasta be replaced.
JUNOAK ago
You put down a challenge to explain the emails I'm wondering how you think I did.
JUNOAK ago
But this is my point, "Mary not free" is grammatically incorrect and just after that he says something that's awkwardly phrased. How can you look at "mary not free" and agree that that's almost certainly a grammatical error but exclude that from being an option in the very next sentence.As a fellow investigator I have to question your skills here. Always search for the most mundane and likely explanation. Mundane is almost always the truth. You have a long way to go before getting to code words.
That one really surprises me, I would love to put together a real random survey because I have heard that view expressed often on here. That that sentence is so awkwardly worded that it has to be code. I would love to see what a survey of people who asked what the meaning of that sentence was. I can almost guarantee that a vast majority of the people will interpret that sentence to be a joke about what his chances of winning a game were if he were eating cheese or pasta (as in "do you think I'll do better playing football on gatorade than water?"). It's a joke about the "stakes" of the game. This sentence is so innocuous I'm confused how anyone could interpret it differently unless english wasn't their native language.
Last time this email came up I did some investigation into it ( a concept that seems completely foreign to people on here). The email was sent by Hertbert Sandler, a quick google search shows that he is 85 years old so you have to imagine the things your grandfather (depending how old you are) would do and say. In other words I think you would agree that the fact that he is elderly makes it at least a little more likely that he wasn't participating in a BDSM rape orgy (like the code words would have you believe) but that maybe he was actually playing dominoes and making corny jokes like every elderly grandfather ever. He actually mentions dominoes a few times in the emails he also says " Susan whipped Sherry and me at Dominos. Using the Podesta method, she made up the rules as we played.". Man that really sounds like they're actually playing a game. That's actually about the entirety of that email to which John replies that he had fun too.
Also how would you interpret this email ? Is it a coincidence that dominoes is a game that comes in sets ? Would you refer to bdsm as a 'game' and that you would like to 'get a set'? Also this email was sent by a Susan from the Sandler center and a quick Google search shows that herb sandler has a daughter Susan. So isn't the most likely explanation that his daughter joined in the dominoes game one night and they all had a nice boring (mundane) evening?
Edit: mistyped sentence
Azagthoth ago
Elites dont chill out, get baked, and order dominos lol