- Allen Ginsberg is a known pedophile and NAMBLA supporter. He was admired by Stephen Colbert and friend of Johnny Depp. He wrote this poem for Bernie Sanders.
Socialist snow on the streets
Socialist talk in the Maverick bookstore
Socialist KIDS SUCKING ON SOCIALIST LOLIPOPS
Socialist poetry in socialist mouths
aren’t the birds frozen socialists?
Aren’t the snowclouds blocking the airfield
Social Democratic Appearances?
Isn’t the socialist sky owned by
the socialist sun?
Earth itself socialist, forests, rivers, lakes
furry mountains, socialist salt
in oceans?
Isn’t this poem socialist? It doesn’t
belong to me anymore.
http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2015/06/allen-ginsberg-bernie-sanders-poem/
“Do you know why newspapers with the articles like ‘Girl 12 raped by 14 men’ sell so well? To what in us are they appealing?’’
https://nypost.com/2015/06/05/bernie-sanders-rape-fantasy-essay-reveals-left-wing-hypocrisy/
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2impendingdoom ago
All of your citations are compelling but if he were a pedo, then he would be okay as a candidata and the DNC would have not cheated him. Instead they were desperate to knock him out.
DeathTooMasons ago
I don't buy that. It seemed Bernie knew his job was to lose, never complained he was cheated, and never revealed his backers because he asked for an extension to do so. It was given, then Bernie dropped out, freeing him of the responibility of revealing who was backing him because he was no longer running. Bernie is and always has been a fraud. The connection in this thread are an eye opener in another direction altogether
Votescam ago
Bernie did not "lose" in the sense of showing us all that this is a LIBERAL nation but huge numbers who support socialist programs such as Social Security and National Health Care for All, and Medicare, Medicaid. Public Education and Libraries, our Fire Departments.
That reality has been hidden from the public by our MSM which still fails to acknowledge it.
Bernie appealed to the best instincts of the American public versus Hillary appealing to the worst.
And had Bernie gotten the nomination, he would have won by a landslide which we all know.
2impendingdoom ago
As far as I can tell, this thread is to paint Bernie as part of the Pedo cabal because it deconstructs the DNC leaks, the Seth Rich murder theory and supports the Russia hacking narrative. The investigations into Sanders and his wife have only been initiated since his Presidential campaign because his message is a threat to the banking, corporate and political elite and because (even though he didn't diss HRC) he is still on the scene.
I think that the Pizzagate investigation is infiltrated by an irrational level of hysteria lately which is probably a reflection of panic by the elites loss of control.
Nothing about labeling Bernie as a pedo and part of the pedo cabal makes sense in the real life narrative except as a disinfo and to disrupt the Seth Rich leaking theory. Also, the Ginsburg poem is really poorly written.
Votescam ago
Agree -- Also feel very strongly that the Seth Rich murder is very important to the overall investigation.
(And, just as an aside, I come to realize quite often that there are many emails which contain information from whistleblowers, like Snowden and Chelsea Manning and Seth Rich where they are not 100% read an understood. I was watching the Putin interviews by Oliver Stone on Showtime recently and just for one example in Part 4 .....Snowden is making clear that the US has plans not only to destroy those they consider our "enemies" but also our allies. We still have a long way to go to fully understand all that has been released so far.)
The kind of anti-Semitic hate speech we are seeing here just mirrors what we saw in the Trump campaign.
If you haven't read any of my posts before -- or anyone else who hasn't -- please familiarize yourself with CIA operations Mockingbird which took our free press -- Operation Paperclip (200,000 ex-Nazis used to found the CIA and funneled into the FBI and other government agencies and to hot spots around the world) and Gladio which ensured that right wing governments/officials would take control of government in all of the nations over which the US had control and influence after WWII. Japan, Germany, France, Italy -- in fact, in Italy the US actually resurrected the Mafia in order to ensure that the program would be carried out. Also see MKULTRA if you're not familiar with it -- Monarch was so atrocious that Helms had the records destroyed.
FDR and the New Deal had to have been the greatest shock to the Elites whom our Founders had given absolute control over our nation) in creating an Elite patriarchy, endowing them with land grants and giving them immense influence and control over the "people's" government -- the nation's wealth and natural resources.
The Founders protected the system of Slavery for Elites guaranteeing the Civil War which further benefitted Elites by separating the nation into two camps of hatred which continue to echo today.
We had immediate betrayal by the Founders and we are still in the same gene pool which took this land by violence and by killing 112 million native people here.
2impendingdoom ago
I can understand the mentality of wanting a nice exorbitantly wealthy life for oneself but at a certain point how does destroying the world provide a worthy end game? What are they going to do when pretty much all of the world is crapped on by their policies and wrecked by their destruction? Are they going to be able to dock their monster yachts in a quaint touristy town and expect to be able to buy a couple thousand gallons of diesel, fresh lambchops and organic arugula?
the means are evident but I'm not seeing the ends surviving either
Votescam ago
Zim --
True -- you can't understand the thinking of sociopaths and psychopaths -- which is why it takes so long for the population to understand what's happened to this nation .... Most of us don't get up every morning trying to find a way to gain control over other people, other nations ....but Elites do.
Capitalism is a system based in moving the wealth of nations and their natural resources from the many to the few ... and it has done that successfully all over the world. It's one of the primary tools in the Elite toolbox.
Christianity is another -- and Christianity invented capitalism when Feudalism was no longer sufficient to run the Papal States.
We can't understand the present without understanding the past.
Capitalism is suicidal in its exploitation of Nature. And Global Warming is the end product of that exploitation.
Our scientists saw immediately in the late 1880's at the arrival of the Industrial Revolution the harm that was being done to Nature - and even up to the time that Elites killed JFK, we could have prevented further damage.
Exploitation of Nature is suicidal and they are taking us all with them.
2impendingdoom ago
it seems like a crappy world disaster movie but where is the Resistance Team when you can't even get pizzagate voaters to stop screaming JEW!!
Votescam ago
What you re asking is where is the left? The left has been under constant attack by the right wing since time began -- But if you look at Mockingbird, Paperclip, Gladio .... those were operations against liberalsm ... a free press is liberal. And all of it done in secrecy which is something else the left stands against. Gladio controlled elections in Japan and Europe holding them to only right wing candidates and wins.
What was the McCarthy Era here except an effort to remove liberals from government office?
The assassinations of JFK, RFK, MLK, Jr. Malcolm X and many others were all about defeating liberals and moving them out of the public eye -- disappearing them. After that they began to remove liberals even before they could rise to any prominence.
We also don't know how many CIA operations there were and are still running -- Do we know only about a handful of hundreds or were there thousands?
Liberals unite labor in unions. The right wing co-opts the unions with corrupt leaders who just happen to fail to move the union ahead and finally move us from 39% unionization to what I think is now less than 6%. They often used Mafia to do this. Elites and Mafia work closely together -- Mafia exists at the pleasure of Elites and are protected by them.
The left -- if you have an inbox filled with pleas from the left for donations, like mine -- are all competing for the same $1 donation. They must all come together. Obviously women can support human rights for everyone, right? Unions can support women's right ... ? NAACP can support women and homosexual rights? And we are all for preserving Nature and the planet ... right?
As long as they are all acting independently there is no joint "resistance" or plan for resistance.
What is the plan for resistance?
It has to be an effort to stop cooperating with Elites and Capitalism -- Many ways to do that.
:)
Anyone's guess as to what's going on here with the anti-Semitism ...
2impendingdoom ago
this liberal left as you describe it is the 99%, the left-overs, I guess you'd call us; minus the delusional nutcases who aspire to anarchy.
Pretty sure that the antisemitism is to divide and distract us, because accepted and understood here is that the political parties are both thoroughly corrupt and working only in the elite interest.
Bernie stands as an exception so it surprises me that he's tossed out on such flimsy grounds. A trump supporting attorney charges bank fraud on the same day that posts here say he's pedo, (timing seems to be no coincidence!).
Trump is obviously in battle with "russia hacking" for what I'm not sure (what is Trump's actual agenda? I can't tell what he is trying to achieve), my instinct is that he'd do better to befriend with Bernie whose followers are no longer Dems, then destroy him but I'm guessing Trump's now in a place where he can't see who is safe and who has knives.
Votescam ago
Agree with your post --
I don't know ... is there really such a thing as "anarchy" . . . . ?
Or is there only self-defense against totalitarianism?
Simply sounds like an argument for "Martial Law" against protests by population
:)
And couldn't agree more with this ...
Pretty sure that the antisemitism is to divide and distract us, because accepted and understood here is that the political parties are both thoroughly corrupt and working only in the elite interest.
Attacking Bernie would be high on the list of Hillary/Brock/Media Matters, CIA -- all child abusers themselves.
The Russia thing is confusing and seems purposefully so.
However, I'm no Trump fan and feel he is just as criminal as the rest of them and serving Elites. First effort, tax cuts for the wealthy -- destruction of all social programs/safety nets. And $20 million every weekend for his getaway to Florida?
I don't know if we really know who was backing him.
We have to understand that we also have an Elite battle going on -- Though Koch Bros. owns both parties/John Birch Society family .... the entire game of capitalism isn't about competition ... it's about killing the competition. Finally, one owner. The Trump team and the Hillary team are obviously both supported by Elites and competing.
Of course, this is wild guessing by me and haven't given it a lot of thought ....
Conversationally, I've always wanted to get back to the theory that Elites/capitalists actually invented communism ... so there would be an economic foe. Do you have any thoughts on that?
:)
Sometime this coming week, I think, SNOWDEN will play on Showtime ... missed it when it came out and anxious to see it.
2impendingdoom ago
I'm not seeing how Trump is very protected. I find his presidency fascinating after such a gruesome election. In face of Comey, Lynch, Flynn etc I am so curious what he is doing. Its a great reality show and I feel no distaste for him yet that I might have years ago, (for his ridiculous glitzy towers and egomaniacal tv shows) or the contempt that I grew to have for WJC, W Bush & Obama where instead of words I could only hear mockery and lies.
Funny that you ask about communism. I was just noticing this article:
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-25/exposed-cia-drug-connection-shows-how-they-support-usd-and-manipulate-foreign-market
explaining how CIA pushes US capital interests throughout the world with immunity for drug involvement. so certainly communism (and socialism) is a great enemy when a state maintains ownership of any possible profitable enterprise.
With a foreign policy that is undisguised Imperialism benefiting just the few they'll create as many enemies as necessary to take take take. Communism as a constructed enemy works both ways right? we can't let them take our stuff and OMG they aren't democratically elected, so lets spread freedom while we pocket their oil fields.
I have absolutely believed that communism was a make believe boogie man since, well, maybe my whole life. As a child, my god-mother worked for a defense satellite jamming corp versus RUSSIA and she would take me on outings and maybe said more than she should have.
A Viet Nam vet neighbor still believes he was there fighting for my freedom, and that North Vietnam commies were somehow a danger to the United States and it would break him to disagree. I try to explain that North Korea has no resources for feeding themselves and they lob a couple m80s at nothing important when they get hungry, and we secretly give them lunch money, an act that's been going on since 1953 which lets us keep an army in Seoul. I think its starting to sink in.
Your comment that "they" will destroy our allies was alarming. Now that Europe is overrun with violent terrorist refugees of our making, obviously we're going to have to kill them to save them. We can scape euros off the bottom of Trevi fountain and melt the Eiffel tower for scrap metal, go USA!
What is totally amusing to me is that Russia is no longer commie and yet somehow a huge threat. Who believes this?
Votescam ago
Zim --
Well, what's the report on Trump now ... is it half his own supporters now want him impeached or is it half the nation wants him impeached? And yet that isn't going anywhere because GOP is in control and presumably whoever actually helped push and fund him.
But it is "fascinating" in kind of a grim way -- like ... "Will he actual try to nuke Russia today or tomorrow?"
Agree with all above --
And also agree re the fakery of communism as a threat to us and world peace --
INTERESTING ... >I have absolutely believed that communism was a make believe boogie man since, well, maybe my whole life. As a child, my god-mother worked for a defense satellite jamming corp versus RUSSIA and she would take me on outings and maybe said more than she should have.>
And the history of that division 48th parallel is shocking as to what was done there to N Korea .... and of course much agree with you re Vietnam......
Totally agree with last two comments -- and have to go .... every time I think they'll be time to push out a little info I've read on the capitalist's inventing communism something is going on and no time for it. Maybe someday we will get back to it .... BUT I will definitely look at your link and reply...
:)
Shillaxe ago
Great conversation! Im living in a forrest & typing on a phone so only have short comments. My budding hypothesis is that Trump is Mafia serving Jake Rothschild to throw the DNC under the proverbial bus. Communism serves to gap the rich from poor but the west isn't capable of doing what Mao did, murder all the University students so capitalism will do while creating fake Commie scare.