I won't delete this post for now. If you think creating a new subverse is what we need to make progress, do it.
I think what would really help though, is when you wouldn't try to create as much drama as possible and try to divide the community about it, but that's only me. Feel free to take everyone with you, who is as unhappy with our decisions, as you are. I sincerely wish you the best.
Unless that's exactly what people want me to do, since nothing is getting done otherwise and it's too easy to sweep under the carpet.
Squeaky wheels get the grease
I hope with your new subverse you can finally focus on creating good research posts again instead of wasting your time with nonesense/ modbashing. All this drama was completely unnecessary in my eyes and could have been prevented from both sides. I tried to defend your standpoint at first, but you managed to lose me by acting like a mad child.
Thanks. Too bad you didn't understand why all that happened. I'll go ahead and let you know that i never was even able to make any complaint or present any evidence. Do you know that? Wonder why? No, of course not. Mods only see the reaction "mad child" and that's the complete story for them. Not, what happened just before that. Not what another mod did to derail the process, or lie about me, or send private messages that I wasn't even aware were going to be used against me as weapons.
So yeah, you know that whole thing about submitting evidence about MF, that you were on my side about?
Quick question-what happened with that?
Any thoughts? Any idea why that didn't come about? Or do you only see "mad child" and leave it at that?
You were allowed to present evidence, but you didn't as far as I can tell. And I defended you at the very begining, when you were criticizing the new work in progress executive summary and your first deleted posts, months ago.
This was way before you now tried to file a complaint about MF. And back then already you started your childish modbashing and made it impossible for me and others to take a stand for you.
Vindicator tried to help fixing this situation too, but you soon attacked him as well.
I was about to contact you and try my luck, but when I saw your then most recent posts, I changed my mind.
I wasn't on your side about submitting evidence about MF because at that point you already lost me for months.
But like I said, as far as I know VSD gave you a chance to submit evidence and you didn't deliver anything of value.
Also VSD told you to post to v/pizzagatemods and ping him there to make this an open discussion where you can post your evidence, but you didn't ping him and didn't provide any evidence. Instead he is on your list of shills now as well it seems. -.-
So, like said, good luck with your subverse and I hope you can focus on the more important and true things again and we all don't have to deal with this drama anymore.
What are you even talking about? You yorself posted his request to you to give him evidence.
"Formal complaint has been noted.
While I don't particularly care about the day to day shenanigans you lot get up to this sort of thing worries me quite a bit.
I understand it's an onerous task to ask, but please feel free to bombard me with a wall of text detailing the issues.
I've seen concerns about this particular mod for a while but had no hard facts to do anything about it
Ultimately I am the formal and official channel, along with Crensch. In order to ensure this isn't some kind of weird power play stuff I want to make sure it's the real deal.
Something to do is to list clear remedies for errant behavior - the removal of a mod should be reserved for cases where the mod is clearly not engaging with the community in a manner that I can condone. And yes, it does come down to a personal judgement from me about what that constitutes.
If you approve, I will PM the mod in question directly with a warning - keeping it not specific as part of the process. Often watching the response to this is indicative of the intent of the person, depending on how this goes I will enact a formal probation where the moderator is reduced in status for a period of 30 days.
Let me know if this is the type of action you consider appropriate. My real preference is to do all this out in the open so the whole community can participate. If you want, open a new thread in the moderators subverse and ping me to start the process as a public one. If identifiable participation in this is an issue, use the anon verse to mask identities, but still ping me.
Dealing with this within the concepts of the voat community stated objectives is a bit of an experiment and I'm always happy to be told when I'm getting it wrong.
In this rare instance, replies to this message will be held as confident. This is the only case where this is true as I prefer total transparency as normal process (hence starting a thread on the mod verse.)"
And now you claim it never happened? Or what are you talking about? I don't get it.
yeah, but that's not the whole story. You don't know about the other stuff that recently happened. It's all good. no need to create more drama. Thank you for thanking the time.
view the rest of the comments →
nnfx ago
I won't delete this post for now. If you think creating a new subverse is what we need to make progress, do it. I think what would really help though, is when you wouldn't try to create as much drama as possible and try to divide the community about it, but that's only me. Feel free to take everyone with you, who is as unhappy with our decisions, as you are. I sincerely wish you the best.
Psychanaut ago
The "drama" is a response to something. I suggest that "something" is the problem, not my "drama".
nnfx ago
Didn't say there was nothing, just saying you make as much drama out of it as possible.
Psychanaut ago
and?
nnfx ago
and
Psychanaut ago
Unless that's exactly what people want me to do, since nothing is getting done otherwise and it's too easy to sweep under the carpet. Squeaky wheels get the grease
nnfx ago
I hope with your new subverse you can finally focus on creating good research posts again instead of wasting your time with nonesense/ modbashing. All this drama was completely unnecessary in my eyes and could have been prevented from both sides. I tried to defend your standpoint at first, but you managed to lose me by acting like a mad child.
Good luck with your subverse! I subscribed.
Psychanaut ago
Thanks. Too bad you didn't understand why all that happened. I'll go ahead and let you know that i never was even able to make any complaint or present any evidence. Do you know that? Wonder why? No, of course not. Mods only see the reaction "mad child" and that's the complete story for them. Not, what happened just before that. Not what another mod did to derail the process, or lie about me, or send private messages that I wasn't even aware were going to be used against me as weapons.
So yeah, you know that whole thing about submitting evidence about MF, that you were on my side about?
Quick question-what happened with that?
Any thoughts? Any idea why that didn't come about? Or do you only see "mad child" and leave it at that?
nnfx ago
You were allowed to present evidence, but you didn't as far as I can tell. And I defended you at the very begining, when you were criticizing the new work in progress executive summary and your first deleted posts, months ago. This was way before you now tried to file a complaint about MF. And back then already you started your childish modbashing and made it impossible for me and others to take a stand for you.
Vindicator tried to help fixing this situation too, but you soon attacked him as well. I was about to contact you and try my luck, but when I saw your then most recent posts, I changed my mind.
I wasn't on your side about submitting evidence about MF because at that point you already lost me for months. But like I said, as far as I know VSD gave you a chance to submit evidence and you didn't deliver anything of value. Also VSD told you to post to v/pizzagatemods and ping him there to make this an open discussion where you can post your evidence, but you didn't ping him and didn't provide any evidence. Instead he is on your list of shills now as well it seems. -.-
So, like said, good luck with your subverse and I hope you can focus on the more important and true things again and we all don't have to deal with this drama anymore.
Psychanaut ago
Right. Except that's not what happened. Thank you for proving it to me. I will save this. I'm glad you took the time to give me this text. Thank you.
nnfx ago
What are you even talking about? You yorself posted his request to you to give him evidence.
"Formal complaint has been noted.
While I don't particularly care about the day to day shenanigans you lot get up to this sort of thing worries me quite a bit.
I understand it's an onerous task to ask, but please feel free to bombard me with a wall of text detailing the issues.
I've seen concerns about this particular mod for a while but had no hard facts to do anything about it
Ultimately I am the formal and official channel, along with Crensch. In order to ensure this isn't some kind of weird power play stuff I want to make sure it's the real deal.
Something to do is to list clear remedies for errant behavior - the removal of a mod should be reserved for cases where the mod is clearly not engaging with the community in a manner that I can condone. And yes, it does come down to a personal judgement from me about what that constitutes.
If you approve, I will PM the mod in question directly with a warning - keeping it not specific as part of the process. Often watching the response to this is indicative of the intent of the person, depending on how this goes I will enact a formal probation where the moderator is reduced in status for a period of 30 days.
Let me know if this is the type of action you consider appropriate. My real preference is to do all this out in the open so the whole community can participate. If you want, open a new thread in the moderators subverse and ping me to start the process as a public one. If identifiable participation in this is an issue, use the anon verse to mask identities, but still ping me.
Dealing with this within the concepts of the voat community stated objectives is a bit of an experiment and I'm always happy to be told when I'm getting it wrong.
In this rare instance, replies to this message will be held as confident. This is the only case where this is true as I prefer total transparency as normal process (hence starting a thread on the mod verse.)"
And now you claim it never happened? Or what are you talking about? I don't get it.
Psychanaut ago
yeah, but that's not the whole story. You don't know about the other stuff that recently happened. It's all good. no need to create more drama. Thank you for thanking the time.