He's not talking about a Romantic relationship. Eva, is right, it means they know each other independently of Brock. I would guess that Tony Podesta is closer to Alefantis.
Yes, I think Tony Podesta introduced James to important people in the "visionary" art world when they travelled to Denmark togather. Visionary art is the poor man's version of modern art. James is Podesta TNG and he is very open about it always touting the "family-friendlyness" of his restaurant and when he stated that "We are visionaries, we will not be silenced" in the same way Marina Abramovic uses the term. Visionaries are artists connected to Luciferianism. That is their family. Outsider art is made by people indpired by God. Visionary art is made by people inspired by Lucifer(Satan). Being an avid collector of the first kind, I have become really interested in observing the second kind as well. But I do not plan on getting any art made by victims and survivors of ritual abuse...
This is not an obvious one. From the outside, a Luciferianist is a fancy Satanist. Those who say they are Luciferians (visionaries) are Marina Abramovic and her most ardent followers like James Alefantis or anyone running visionary art galleries. Those who seem to be Satanists are mostly middle class and young (basement rock punk dark death aesthetics). However, most Satanists one will come across are actually Atheists spoofing religion. Lucifer doesn't exist in a bubble, one has to believe in a higher power (God-like figure) in order to believe that there is an opposite power (Satan-like figure). So I offer no actual answer because I have yet to find it, just a bit more context.
Those who say they are Luciferians (visionaries) are Marina Abramovic and her most ardent followers like James Alefantis or anyone running visionary art galleries.
This explanation doesn't make sense and Marina Ambramovic never said that. Luciferianism just sounds like something someone made up once Satanism lost its punch. It sounds like a rebranding.
However, most Satanists one will come across are actually Atheists spoofing religion.
This I agree with. It's not that, they actually believe in the devil or worship him, but it's a reaction against the anti-humanist side of fundamentalist religions.
Me too, but my research points to info that indicates those who practice see Satanism and Luciferianism as different. Outside of the apparent fact that Luciferianists look down on Satanists, I haven't been able to identify exactly why. There is the obvious notion of social class but that seems like a shallow thing, so I continue my search.
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thedreammanalishi ago
David Brock, in a fairly recent interview, stated plainly that Alefantis was dating Podesta.
EvaEverywhere ago
Not really he said "James has his own relationship with John" which I took to mean they are close friends involved in their own interests.
thedreammanalishi ago
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1486543
RweSure ago
He's not talking about a Romantic relationship. Eva, is right, it means they know each other independently of Brock. I would guess that Tony Podesta is closer to Alefantis.
EvaEverywhere ago
Yes, I think Tony Podesta introduced James to important people in the "visionary" art world when they travelled to Denmark togather. Visionary art is the poor man's version of modern art. James is Podesta TNG and he is very open about it always touting the "family-friendlyness" of his restaurant and when he stated that "We are visionaries, we will not be silenced" in the same way Marina Abramovic uses the term. Visionaries are artists connected to Luciferianism. That is their family. Outsider art is made by people indpired by God. Visionary art is made by people inspired by Lucifer(Satan). Being an avid collector of the first kind, I have become really interested in observing the second kind as well. But I do not plan on getting any art made by victims and survivors of ritual abuse...
RweSure ago
Huh?
What's the difference between Luciferian and Satanism?
EvaEverywhere ago
This is not an obvious one. From the outside, a Luciferianist is a fancy Satanist. Those who say they are Luciferians (visionaries) are Marina Abramovic and her most ardent followers like James Alefantis or anyone running visionary art galleries. Those who seem to be Satanists are mostly middle class and young (basement rock punk dark death aesthetics). However, most Satanists one will come across are actually Atheists spoofing religion. Lucifer doesn't exist in a bubble, one has to believe in a higher power (God-like figure) in order to believe that there is an opposite power (Satan-like figure). So I offer no actual answer because I have yet to find it, just a bit more context.
RweSure ago
This explanation doesn't make sense and Marina Ambramovic never said that. Luciferianism just sounds like something someone made up once Satanism lost its punch. It sounds like a rebranding.
This I agree with. It's not that, they actually believe in the devil or worship him, but it's a reaction against the anti-humanist side of fundamentalist religions.
EvaEverywhere ago
You should explain the difference between Luciferianism and Satanism then... and don't forget to include Thelemists and Theosophists :)
RweSure ago
I always thought Lucifer and Satan were the same. I don't know what this is.
EvaEverywhere ago
Me too, but my research points to info that indicates those who practice see Satanism and Luciferianism as different. Outside of the apparent fact that Luciferianists look down on Satanists, I haven't been able to identify exactly why. There is the obvious notion of social class but that seems like a shallow thing, so I continue my search.
RweSure ago
wow. Satan on Satan snobbery. I will look for this.