I'm not into the Rich case at all -- in fact, I think the entire thing is BS. However, I'm still up so decided to watch.
Sooo.....
According to Wheeler, he never bothered to verify what the Fox News chick told him about the "credible source." He just took it at face value that Seth had been in email contact with WikiLeaks.
There is a schism within the Rich family. Parents want the "crime" solved, someone else -- presumably the brother Aaron -- does not.
The Rich family does not want Wheeler's report to be released under any circumstances. Wheeler, OTOH, has publicly appealed to the family since he wants to release his report. His attorney and their attorney are holding discussions/negotiations RE this.
Sweigert mentions -- in all seriousness, as though it were real -- the FAKE Gabby Giffords "shooting." How fitting!
Yes, I have come to the comclusion Seth Rich is part of the grander psy-op designed to cause armed revolution.
There's way too much stink surrounding the issue from MANY angles. SR takes a lot of citizen capacity off of the real issue: Nefarious criminal sectarian syndicate members getting away with heinous acts as they practice their Luciferist aspirations.
It is very complex and would need me pages to explain all of this; but applying the basic rules (Occam's razor), narrative control etc. would still draw a picture:
Mind you that Seth Rich initially had nothing to do with PG; at least, has no more to do with it than DNC corruption.
In the Bigger Picture I have come to the conclusion that Hillary Clinton was no longer the intended candidate even well before the elections ended. However, the NWO, through media still kept to the illusion of her being the preferred candidate. However, this illusion was not so much intended to the PUBLIC. No, the illusion was primarily targeted at the Clinton Sphere.
Why would they turn on Hillary? Well... that has to do with the nature of evil. Evil will consume itself. Meaning, evil people will always be in competition with one-other and will only work together out of necessity. Due to our biology, we are dealing with two types of humans. Males and females. Evil men and evil women will always be in competition with one other.
Hillary Clinton rose to power as a female. Got addicted to it. NWO support made her audacious and bold. But that does not take away the sub-current competition elements. Hillary liked hugging it up with Lynn Forrester de Rothschild where Lynn stated "I miss you!". Hillary Clinton with her Clinton Cartel was seriously working herself into the Rothschild sphere. As a highly dominant, leading female. And from the occult perspective, and per Guccifer's statement, being an occult high-priestess.
In a future NWO, the Clinton Cartel may have caused a serious power threat to the Rothschilds through sheer influence of the Clinton Sphere on the globe. Rothschild has a male at the top. Clinton has a female at the top. Both evil; yet in competition. After all, the Clintons were A LOT more visible to the global populace than are the Rothschilds. She was using that as a power leverage.
Even though the NWO didn't really want Trump to begin with; they chose Trump as a better option than Hillary. Go from this view perspective...
Now you see why SR has played an pivotal part, along with complicit WikiLeaks and complicit Kim.COM in bringing down the entirety of DNC while Hillary was still clinging to the Russia-Did-It narrative, while the NWO had already 'parked' the Russia issue and instead divert attention to North Korea... and Iran. Iran is now the NWO's short-term prime target. USA+UK pumping SA full of weaponry etc. Russia is on their back-burner. But to not give that away too much, we still have this "Reality Winner" NSA Russia-hacking psy-op that made its show debut today. It's a sloppy one though. To hint at, ok, some Russians still involved, but not focus narrative on it too overly. This psy-op has been made to be bust.
Besides using Seth Rich to bring down the Clinton Sphere, the false flag is also used for the purpose I mentioned in the opening paragraph. That's why there's a photo of SR in an all-American Stars 'n Stripes tenue. And it is you, citizen researchers, that allowed me to establish this conclusion based upon all the oddities regarding SR you dug up.
They're both damage controlling and steering the narrative towards DNC implosion. The DNC / SR combo are their current "decoy-magnets" to again, cull this bit of the Deep State and focus citizen research on just this sector of the Deepstate Zone, keeping y'all away from the really incriminating stuff: Satanic human trafficking.
bopper + DarkMath also actively support and push these DISINFO agents.
I'm really getting to the point I'd almost advice people to drop and leave VOAT for the crapper hole it has become. There must be better places that are not NWO controlled.
@ArtificalDuality do a little research, everybody here knows I think Webb is an idiot larper. You are smearing my pristine reputation! Can I get a witness??
I challenge you now to a cosmic duel! In a third dimension if you prefer. You saying Hillary wasn't supposed to win is quite a stretch btw.
? I'm still bothered by you not being able to answer the simple question of morality I posed a couple of months ago. Once you can do that, you'll receive my clearance :)
Haven't been following the attacks, no time right now. I do believe Operation Gladio is still in effect. Don't know what the London attacks have to do w/ what we're talking about.
Because you're bothered about my answer to your posed morality question doesn't make me a Webb flag waver (I'm just the opposite).
You're atheist or agnostic I think, and that's what bothers you about me. You know this quote right? "The greatest hindrance to discovery is not ignorance but the illusion of knowledge."
At least we agree about Dr. Judy Wood (I think). You believe in theories right? Like the "theory" of gravity and relativity? Walk outside. Do you feel yourself spinning? Is China underneath you?
If NASA is showing us fake pics then maybe they hoaxed us on the moon landings also (which they did) and are possibly also continuing to play a role in perpetuating an even greater cover-up concerning the cosmos.
If so, what if that particular cover-up can be easily discerned by simply opening our eyes, suspending judgement (and questioning theories no matter how longstanding), and relying on our senses and common sense (which is not very common w/ pseudo-scientists of today or even yesteryear), and what other "everyday people" are discovering more and more w/ the plethora of new technologies available to them today.
Why did Hillary in her speech the other day mention "science deniers" even before pizzagate. She couldn't have been talking about climate change because what she was talking about would "hit you right in the face" within ten minutes of "logging onto the internet." Climate change is not that popular an internet topic.
Maybe there are things that we have learned that need to be unlearned, and maybe it's quite simpler a matter to achieve such learning and info than we believe.
Have you seen The Principle? It's a good "starting off" point but largely disinfo.
Na I haven't seen it. I'm not easily coaxed though. But, I suppose you were not intending to show me a movie trailer. You are leading up to something that would supposedly shatter my belief system.. no? Well.. I'm ready. Throw it at me.
I've no interest in purposely shattering anyone's belief system, that's quite a feat anyway, my only interest is the truth. And I'm not on the offensive here.
You and I can agree and disagree on various and sundry things. but calling me a GWebb shill is below the belt stuff :) I would appreciate a retraction of your statement. But suit yourself.
That's some warped morality (or logic) right there if the validation of the truth about me not shilling for Webb is dependent upon my "answering you about NASA."
Whether I am going to retract or not depends on your legitimacy. You can prove your legitimacy by telling me about this thing you can not tell about lest people get irritated with you. If it is legitimate knowledge I'm more than fine looking at it and you should not be worrying about anything.
If my "legitimacy" is dependent only upon whatever it is I am babbling about, then it shall be "verified" only by a subjective construct in your own mind, as well as others, which subjective construct will vary greatly, depending upon one's upbringing, circumstances, life events, research, etc., and maybe most importantly, who they trust. For example, what if I said reptilians, or aliens.
But I am simply saying that what's "hitting everyone in the face within 10 minutes of logging onto the internet" is the abundant proof that there is no detectable spin nor curve whatsoever to our "planet," and that Hillary's statement was one of narrative control.
Why don't you stop assuming things about me and either choose to enlighten me or just don't mention it. This is pointless otherwise. What does detecting spin or curve have to do with Hillary, China or gravity? Something wrong with our planet that Hillary knows about?
Yes, there is something very wrong about what we've been told about our planet, and Hillary is now being used to keep it hidden, as John Kerry and Obama have also been doing. Our planet is not a ball, it does not spin. We've been lied to and the truth is becoming known. I'll drop it now, but my feelings are still hurt about Webb, but I forgive you, just don't do it again if you don't mind.
So you are saying, in a differential fashion, that Earth is...... FLAT !? You do know what "differentiality" means right? IF one is TRUE the other end must be FALSE. If one is FALSE the other end must be TRUE. So, if you say, Earth is NOT round, then it is must be FLAT! Is that what you are saying? I'm now validating with you whether that is indeed what you differentially try to say?
Yes I am. But of course I never actually used that term "flat earth." Of course it IS a logical fallacy to say that if the earth is not round it must be flat ... because it could be something else, right, just not round ... not round because of no detectable curve. Nor spin. So the differential thing doesn't quite work here. NASA has told us it's pear shaped also. But I believe that the truth is discover-able and provable, and one does not need to be a mathematical genius nor rocket scientist.
No, not a logical fallacy. You're just addressing the one-to-many differential. Not a one-to-one. Case in point? If it's RED then it's not GREEN, not ORANGE, not YELLOW etc. This is a one-to-many. A one-to-one would be if it's TRUE then it is NOT false. No other options. With a curve, there are not many differential options. It's either flat or a bowl instead. Since I don't see china when looking up, what remains must be flat. By parameter elimination we thus still end up with a one-to-one differential.
Yes, with differentiality we can establish information integrity.
So, if not curved, then it must be flat. OK. Got proof, other than looking outside and not hoping to fall off when driving / boating endlessly into one direction?
Good points, I think I understand what you're saying. I expected you to go ad hominen on me by this point. There's still time :) Well, you did just a bit.
All I can tell you, or suggest to you, at this point, is to "become as a child," put away all preconceived notions and suppositions and pride, and say yes, I'll be an absolute idiot for just two full days, and I will look at this ridiculously nonsensical subject. You will probably feel anger and righteous indignation just even considering it, cause hey, you're no idiot, right?
If you do that with a truly open mind, you will not regret it. Start w/ anything by Eric Dubay.
Na, I'd rather join up with an online buddy, some 3 time zones spaced apart and in synchronity take a picture of the nightsky and match up our pictures. Some simple goniometrics will then tell us both that Earth is still a nice round globe.
You can do this experiment together with an acquaintance yourself if you wish. All you need is a smartphone and some way to ensure the cam's focus points straight up to the night sky:
That was a trap snapping. And you thought I were going to retract a comment. No.... Suffice to say you've now been indisputably identified as an NWO compliance. Say hi to George will you? You might want to tell him that there are more options than being "with us" or "against us". Who is "us" anyways... given that "us", "you", "we", "them" are all dynamic group binders that turn the 1-1 differential (with/against) into a 1-n differential.
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equineluvr ago
I'm not into the Rich case at all -- in fact, I think the entire thing is BS. However, I'm still up so decided to watch.
Sooo.....
According to Wheeler, he never bothered to verify what the Fox News chick told him about the "credible source." He just took it at face value that Seth had been in email contact with WikiLeaks.
There is a schism within the Rich family. Parents want the "crime" solved, someone else -- presumably the brother Aaron -- does not.
The Rich family does not want Wheeler's report to be released under any circumstances. Wheeler, OTOH, has publicly appealed to the family since he wants to release his report. His attorney and their attorney are holding discussions/negotiations RE this.
Sweigert mentions -- in all seriousness, as though it were real -- the FAKE Gabby Giffords "shooting." How fitting!
ArtificalDuality ago
Yes, I have come to the comclusion Seth Rich is part of the grander psy-op designed to cause armed revolution.
There's way too much stink surrounding the issue from MANY angles. SR takes a lot of citizen capacity off of the real issue: Nefarious criminal sectarian syndicate members getting away with heinous acts as they practice their Luciferist aspirations.
It is very complex and would need me pages to explain all of this; but applying the basic rules (Occam's razor), narrative control etc. would still draw a picture:
Mind you that Seth Rich initially had nothing to do with PG; at least, has no more to do with it than DNC corruption.
In the Bigger Picture I have come to the conclusion that Hillary Clinton was no longer the intended candidate even well before the elections ended. However, the NWO, through media still kept to the illusion of her being the preferred candidate. However, this illusion was not so much intended to the PUBLIC. No, the illusion was primarily targeted at the Clinton Sphere.
Why would they turn on Hillary? Well... that has to do with the nature of evil. Evil will consume itself. Meaning, evil people will always be in competition with one-other and will only work together out of necessity. Due to our biology, we are dealing with two types of humans. Males and females. Evil men and evil women will always be in competition with one other.
Hillary Clinton rose to power as a female. Got addicted to it. NWO support made her audacious and bold. But that does not take away the sub-current competition elements. Hillary liked hugging it up with Lynn Forrester de Rothschild where Lynn stated "I miss you!". Hillary Clinton with her Clinton Cartel was seriously working herself into the Rothschild sphere. As a highly dominant, leading female. And from the occult perspective, and per Guccifer's statement, being an occult high-priestess.
In a future NWO, the Clinton Cartel may have caused a serious power threat to the Rothschilds through sheer influence of the Clinton Sphere on the globe. Rothschild has a male at the top. Clinton has a female at the top. Both evil; yet in competition. After all, the Clintons were A LOT more visible to the global populace than are the Rothschilds. She was using that as a power leverage.
Even though the NWO didn't really want Trump to begin with; they chose Trump as a better option than Hillary. Go from this view perspective...
Now you see why SR has played an pivotal part, along with complicit WikiLeaks and complicit Kim.COM in bringing down the entirety of DNC while Hillary was still clinging to the Russia-Did-It narrative, while the NWO had already 'parked' the Russia issue and instead divert attention to North Korea... and Iran. Iran is now the NWO's short-term prime target. USA+UK pumping SA full of weaponry etc. Russia is on their back-burner. But to not give that away too much, we still have this "Reality Winner" NSA Russia-hacking psy-op that made its show debut today. It's a sloppy one though. To hint at, ok, some Russians still involved, but not focus narrative on it too overly. This psy-op has been made to be bust.
Besides using Seth Rich to bring down the Clinton Sphere, the false flag is also used for the purpose I mentioned in the opening paragraph. That's why there's a photo of SR in an all-American Stars 'n Stripes tenue. And it is you, citizen researchers, that allowed me to establish this conclusion based upon all the oddities regarding SR you dug up.
ArtificalDuality ago
Well, looks like we've got more intervalidation for my analysis here:
"Jason Goodman: if you are questioning the Seth Rich files, you are crapping on this investigation"
Webb and Goodman have both been identified as DISINFOs. With the above statement Goodman basically says "STICK TO SR AND STAY IN OUR MENTAL CAGE".
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1913813
They're both damage controlling and steering the narrative towards DNC implosion. The DNC / SR combo are their current "decoy-magnets" to again, cull this bit of the Deep State and focus citizen research on just this sector of the Deepstate Zone, keeping y'all away from the really incriminating stuff: Satanic human trafficking.
bopper + DarkMath also actively support and push these DISINFO agents.
I'm really getting to the point I'd almost advice people to drop and leave VOAT for the crapper hole it has become. There must be better places that are not NWO controlled.
bopper ago
@ArtificalDuality do a little research, everybody here knows I think Webb is an idiot larper. You are smearing my pristine reputation! Can I get a witness??
I challenge you now to a cosmic duel! In a third dimension if you prefer. You saying Hillary wasn't supposed to win is quite a stretch btw.
And while I'm at it, NASA is a hoax K?
ArtificalDuality ago
Hmm.. what do you think of this?
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-06/third-london-terrorist-named-22-year-old-youssef-zahgba#comment-9666060
... and this ...
http://www.zerohedge.com/news/2017-06-06/third-london-terrorist-named-22-year-old-youssef-zahgba#comment-9666018
? I'm still bothered by you not being able to answer the simple question of morality I posed a couple of months ago. Once you can do that, you'll receive my clearance :)
bopper ago
Haven't been following the attacks, no time right now. I do believe Operation Gladio is still in effect. Don't know what the London attacks have to do w/ what we're talking about.
Because you're bothered about my answer to your posed morality question doesn't make me a Webb flag waver (I'm just the opposite).
You're atheist or agnostic I think, and that's what bothers you about me. You know this quote right? "The greatest hindrance to discovery is not ignorance but the illusion of knowledge."
At least we agree about Dr. Judy Wood (I think). You believe in theories right? Like the "theory" of gravity and relativity? Walk outside. Do you feel yourself spinning? Is China underneath you?
ArtificalDuality ago
What's up with that? Ofcourse I don't feel myself spinning and ofcourse China is below me on the other side. Why would you ask that?
bopper ago
I asked you that so that I might remind you to rely on your own senses, and not so much in theories. Gotta run, I'll talk to you later.
You sound quite dogmatic and assured. How do you know? Because of what you've been told, and shown from NASA? Like everyone else?
ArtificalDuality ago
NASA shows us nice space pictures. What has that to do with China and gravity?
bopper ago
If NASA is showing us fake pics then maybe they hoaxed us on the moon landings also (which they did) and are possibly also continuing to play a role in perpetuating an even greater cover-up concerning the cosmos.
If so, what if that particular cover-up can be easily discerned by simply opening our eyes, suspending judgement (and questioning theories no matter how longstanding), and relying on our senses and common sense (which is not very common w/ pseudo-scientists of today or even yesteryear), and what other "everyday people" are discovering more and more w/ the plethora of new technologies available to them today.
Why did Hillary in her speech the other day mention "science deniers" even before pizzagate. She couldn't have been talking about climate change because what she was talking about would "hit you right in the face" within ten minutes of "logging onto the internet." Climate change is not that popular an internet topic.
Maybe there are things that we have learned that need to be unlearned, and maybe it's quite simpler a matter to achieve such learning and info than we believe.
Have you seen The Principle? It's a good "starting off" point but largely disinfo.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p8cBvMCucTg
ArtificalDuality ago
Na I haven't seen it. I'm not easily coaxed though. But, I suppose you were not intending to show me a movie trailer. You are leading up to something that would supposedly shatter my belief system.. no? Well.. I'm ready. Throw it at me.
bopper ago
I've no interest in purposely shattering anyone's belief system, that's quite a feat anyway, my only interest is the truth. And I'm not on the offensive here.
You and I can agree and disagree on various and sundry things. but calling me a GWebb shill is below the belt stuff :) I would appreciate a retraction of your statement. But suit yourself.
ArtificalDuality ago
I will retract if you will update me on what you were about to say about NASA. Now I'm curious.
bopper ago
Speaking of "morality!"
That's some warped morality (or logic) right there if the validation of the truth about me not shilling for Webb is dependent upon my "answering you about NASA."
ArtificalDuality ago
Whether I am going to retract or not depends on your legitimacy. You can prove your legitimacy by telling me about this thing you can not tell about lest people get irritated with you. If it is legitimate knowledge I'm more than fine looking at it and you should not be worrying about anything.
bopper ago
If my "legitimacy" is dependent only upon whatever it is I am babbling about, then it shall be "verified" only by a subjective construct in your own mind, as well as others, which subjective construct will vary greatly, depending upon one's upbringing, circumstances, life events, research, etc., and maybe most importantly, who they trust. For example, what if I said reptilians, or aliens.
But I am simply saying that what's "hitting everyone in the face within 10 minutes of logging onto the internet" is the abundant proof that there is no detectable spin nor curve whatsoever to our "planet," and that Hillary's statement was one of narrative control.
ArtificalDuality ago
Why don't you stop assuming things about me and either choose to enlighten me or just don't mention it. This is pointless otherwise. What does detecting spin or curve have to do with Hillary, China or gravity? Something wrong with our planet that Hillary knows about?
bopper ago
Yes, there is something very wrong about what we've been told about our planet, and Hillary is now being used to keep it hidden, as John Kerry and Obama have also been doing. Our planet is not a ball, it does not spin. We've been lied to and the truth is becoming known. I'll drop it now, but my feelings are still hurt about Webb, but I forgive you, just don't do it again if you don't mind.
ArtificalDuality ago
OOooooooooooo....oooooOOOOOHHHHHHH!!!!!
So you are saying, in a differential fashion, that Earth is...... FLAT !? You do know what "differentiality" means right? IF one is TRUE the other end must be FALSE. If one is FALSE the other end must be TRUE. So, if you say, Earth is NOT round, then it is must be FLAT! Is that what you are saying? I'm now validating with you whether that is indeed what you differentially try to say?
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Differential_signaling
bopper ago
I am aware of false dichotomies. I like the way you put it though.
ArtificalDuality ago
Hmm.. you're not (in)validating my assertion. Is that what you're suggesting Hillary is trying to keep hidden?
bopper ago
Yes I am. But of course I never actually used that term "flat earth." Of course it IS a logical fallacy to say that if the earth is not round it must be flat ... because it could be something else, right, just not round ... not round because of no detectable curve. Nor spin. So the differential thing doesn't quite work here. NASA has told us it's pear shaped also. But I believe that the truth is discover-able and provable, and one does not need to be a mathematical genius nor rocket scientist.
ArtificalDuality ago
No, not a logical fallacy. You're just addressing the one-to-many differential. Not a one-to-one. Case in point? If it's RED then it's not GREEN, not ORANGE, not YELLOW etc. This is a one-to-many. A one-to-one would be if it's TRUE then it is NOT false. No other options. With a curve, there are not many differential options. It's either flat or a bowl instead. Since I don't see china when looking up, what remains must be flat. By parameter elimination we thus still end up with a one-to-one differential.
Yes, with differentiality we can establish information integrity.
So, if not curved, then it must be flat. OK. Got proof, other than looking outside and not hoping to fall off when driving / boating endlessly into one direction?
bopper ago
Good points, I think I understand what you're saying. I expected you to go ad hominen on me by this point. There's still time :) Well, you did just a bit.
All I can tell you, or suggest to you, at this point, is to "become as a child," put away all preconceived notions and suppositions and pride, and say yes, I'll be an absolute idiot for just two full days, and I will look at this ridiculously nonsensical subject. You will probably feel anger and righteous indignation just even considering it, cause hey, you're no idiot, right?
If you do that with a truly open mind, you will not regret it. Start w/ anything by Eric Dubay.
ArtificalDuality ago
Na, I'd rather join up with an online buddy, some 3 time zones spaced apart and in synchronity take a picture of the nightsky and match up our pictures. Some simple goniometrics will then tell us both that Earth is still a nice round globe.
You can do this experiment together with an acquaintance yourself if you wish. All you need is a smartphone and some way to ensure the cam's focus points straight up to the night sky:
Without further adieu: http://imgur.com/gallery/LP6pPqY
CLACK
That was a trap snapping. And you thought I were going to retract a comment. No.... Suffice to say you've now been indisputably identified as an NWO compliance. Say hi to George will you? You might want to tell him that there are more options than being "with us" or "against us". Who is "us" anyways... given that "us", "you", "we", "them" are all dynamic group binders that turn the 1-1 differential (with/against) into a 1-n differential.
bopper ago
LOL. Okay.