I'm still not sure what to make of all that I have been reading about SR's hospitalization on the day he expired. I read the Anon posting from the supposed Surgical Resident who scrubbed on his trauma. Sounds like someone with a medical background, but it doesn't make sense. Is this purposeful disinformation?
OK, so Anon Surgical Resident states that SR had survivable injuries to bowel and segment 3 of liver which were controlled and he was stable intraop and postop. Since he was found by Police within minutes (according to multiple reports) and the presumed hospital (MedStar Washington Center) is a nearby Level I Trauma Center, he was probably brought there quickly as an emergent trauma and was probably in the OR quickly after the injury. I assume he was intubated in the field or quickly after arrival, but diagnostic workup was unlikely to be done and he was probably brought to OR for laparotomy immediately. So far, so good, just as Anon Surgical Resident stated.
Laparotomy for diagnosis and damage control/control of bleeding for the injuries described should take 1-2 hours, more or less depending on details of the injuries. So lets say that he went into the OR quickly after the injury. Police report (CCN #16113797 – PUBLIC INCIDENT REPORT - https://www.scribd.com/document/320691960/Event-16113797-Public-Incident-Packet-1)) states that the incident occurred at 4:20AM on July 10,2016. For the sake of argument, lets say he is in the OR at 4:30 or 4:40AM. If the procedure takes 2 hours, lets say he is done at around 6:30AM. As Anon Surgical Resident states, he then goes to rounds (around 7 AM is typical) and is told not to talk about VIP patient and is barred from rounding on him. I'm assuming that he stays intubated postop and is brought directly to ICU postop with sedation/pain meds. He then states that the hospital is flooded with LEOs around 8 hours later (around noon) who prevent all but a few from seeing SR. Sometime later that day (?), SR presumably dies but no code is called to resuscitate him.
This is where it doesn't't make sense. The police report, which was filled out at 7:10 AM on July 10, states that he has already expired and the time of death is listed at 5:57AM July 10. Time of death given by Attending Physician.
Either the Police Report is wrong or the the Anon Surgical Resident narrative is wrong. They cannot both be right. If he died in the OR, as implied by the 5:57 AM time of death, it also implied that the injuries were much worse than those described by Anon Surgical Resident. Perhaps major vascular injuries (aorta, vena cava, renal vascular injuries or much worse hepatic injuries that were more difficult to control). If he died in the OR or shortly thereafter in ICU, it is very unlikely that he wouldn't have been involved or at least known about it.
The other possibility is that the Police Report is not accurate, but if that is so it would be purposeful and not accidental. I'm not sure of the provenance of the Police Report that I have referenced above. I assume it was actually posted by DC Police. While the Anon Surgical Resident story sounds good at first, I'm not sure its not some kind of disinformation since the times don't match.
All I'm saying is to take "facts" about SR with a grain of salt and to keep digging for more facts.
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Pizzalawyer ago
I agree OP. Why we don't have answers to basic questions is very frustrating. I thought I read that a roommate accompanied Seth in the ambulance. I would have expected the girlfriend to have called the roommates when the phone call was interrupted by the shooting. Have these roommates been identufied? Why hasn't George Webb located them. His reporting is likewise frustrating, he is always straying off topic.
The crime occurred on a Sunday did it not? Usually a slow day for crimes and we should be able to learn of all the deaths that occurred that day in DC which might help give context to other records. For instance the number of victims received by the coronors office office for a given date should be a matter of public record even if the identities remain private. Need a FOIA request here. If DC relies on a public ambulance system those records should be public but for the identities of victims/patients. The statement of the resident surgeon sounds like I would expect such a professional to say given my experience with medical records. Whereas police incident reports often contain errors since they are compilations of hearsay evidence from a variety of sources.
Does the Metro police department have its own ballistics lab or does it use an FBI lab? Since there was no exit wound for one of the bullets, the cops already know about the ammunition and weapon used (assuming 1 weapon). Lab reports on alcohol levels and other drugs in SR's system are known by now. Even if the family is content with the murder being a botched robbery why aren't they concerned about possible medical malpractice?
The private detective is in desperate need of redemption. How come George Webb hasn't caught up with him by now? The DC Metro police had a terrible reputation for corruption that Chief Cathy Lanier was supposed to have remedied. Did she really succeed? Even if she restored integrity there are some issues of incompetency here. Failure to obtain all security camera coverage, failure to interview staff and patrons at the club's SR visited that night and so forth. Is that what is really being covered up?
I think when there has been a top ranked employee, one who had almost exclusive technical knowledge about voting registration in the midst of a highly contentious primary with bonafide issues of voter fraud, then the public has the right to know the circumstances of this death and the status of the investigation. We are being deprived of that right by the same cast of characters : the DNC, the MSM and law enforcement. So damn frustrating!
Are_we_sure ago
The call with the gf was not interrupted by gunshots. (This is from memory) Seth Rich said he had to take care of something and ended the call. I think he said he'd call her back. It seems that he recognized some sort of situation.
I don't understand either of these sentences.
You seem to be exaggerating his position. What does "almost exclusive technical knowledge about voting registration" even mean? I would guess there are many folks dealing with election law with more knowledge than him. There's election lawyers in every state. Both parties employ them. What would he have to do with voter fraud? His job had to do with voter turnout. Specifically he worked on "voter-expansion project aimed at making it easier for people to find their polling places." Wikipedia said the project was "a computer application to help voters locate polling stations."
Pizzalawyer ago
Seth was topped ranked within that org and his computer skills went beyond making it easier to get to polling places. And I have no trouble accepting the argument of others that he had to have been aware of the voter suppression tactics being employed by the D.N.C. and it's affiliates especially if he were a Bernie supporter. And leaks were occurring before his death. So if someone like that is walking home in an affluent neighborhood and is shot 2x in the back without there being any signs of an attempted robbery, yes I think the public deserves to hear more. Look at the details we got on Prince' s death wherein illicit drugs were possibly involved. This is not the only forum demanding more disclosure. The case is of vital public interest especially if it has the potential to undermine the Russia narrative and the public is being shortchanged.
Are_we_sure ago
He was not top ranked. He was the leading data guy for a specific project. He was nowhere near the head of data and is far too young to even be in the running for senior position like that. His title was Voter Expansion Data Director.
He would be outranked by the Technology Director Director of Information Technology Director of Data Science Data Services Manager
Look at the resume for the DNC's Senior Data Analyst. The guy's career is about as long as Seth Rich was alive.
Rich was not even a computer major. His degree is in Political Science. https://www.washingtonpost.com/lifestyle/style/seth-rich-wasnt-just-another-dc-murder-victim-he-was-a-meme-in-the-weirdest-presidential-election-of-our-times/2017/01/18/ee8e27f8-dcc0-11e6-918c-99ede3c8cafa_story.html?utm_term=.01f9feab0975
And there was a stickup crew working the neighborhood. From the same WP link above
More about a recent crime uptick right before Rich's death https://www.washingtonpost.com/local/public-safety/bloomingdale-residents-question-police-after-killing-robberies-in-neighborhood/2016/07/19/99ce212c-4dab-11e6-a7d8-13d06b37f256_story.html?utm_term=.0cbb1afb66b7
This is why the police are looking at a robbery.
That's what you want to happen. But it does not have that potential because the "Russia narrative" as you call it, is not really a narrative and it goes waaaaaaay beyond the DNC. The hacking groups that attacked the DNC have been known for years and the evidence of this two groups being the culprit has been confirmed by multiple cyber security outfits. Hackers were first discovered to be attacking the DNC in 2015 and they were nation-state level hackers. No single person could have done it. They were sophisticated enough, that they couldn't even kick them out of their network even after discovery.
Also the "Russia Narrative" includes things like the private citizen Jared Kushner asking the Russians to set up a secret talks at Russian facilities in December 2016 and then lying about such conduct on his security clearance. That's a felony. The President has admitted he fired the FBI director because of the investigations into Russia. That's obstruction. They are going to fill a lot of books with this "narrative."