I'm still not sure what to make of all that I have been reading about SR's hospitalization on the day he expired. I read the Anon posting from the supposed Surgical Resident who scrubbed on his trauma. Sounds like someone with a medical background, but it doesn't make sense. Is this purposeful disinformation?
OK, so Anon Surgical Resident states that SR had survivable injuries to bowel and segment 3 of liver which were controlled and he was stable intraop and postop. Since he was found by Police within minutes (according to multiple reports) and the presumed hospital (MedStar Washington Center) is a nearby Level I Trauma Center, he was probably brought there quickly as an emergent trauma and was probably in the OR quickly after the injury. I assume he was intubated in the field or quickly after arrival, but diagnostic workup was unlikely to be done and he was probably brought to OR for laparotomy immediately. So far, so good, just as Anon Surgical Resident stated.
Laparotomy for diagnosis and damage control/control of bleeding for the injuries described should take 1-2 hours, more or less depending on details of the injuries. So lets say that he went into the OR quickly after the injury. Police report (CCN #16113797 – PUBLIC INCIDENT REPORT - https://www.scribd.com/document/320691960/Event-16113797-Public-Incident-Packet-1)) states that the incident occurred at 4:20AM on July 10,2016. For the sake of argument, lets say he is in the OR at 4:30 or 4:40AM. If the procedure takes 2 hours, lets say he is done at around 6:30AM. As Anon Surgical Resident states, he then goes to rounds (around 7 AM is typical) and is told not to talk about VIP patient and is barred from rounding on him. I'm assuming that he stays intubated postop and is brought directly to ICU postop with sedation/pain meds. He then states that the hospital is flooded with LEOs around 8 hours later (around noon) who prevent all but a few from seeing SR. Sometime later that day (?), SR presumably dies but no code is called to resuscitate him.
This is where it doesn't't make sense. The police report, which was filled out at 7:10 AM on July 10, states that he has already expired and the time of death is listed at 5:57AM July 10. Time of death given by Attending Physician.
Either the Police Report is wrong or the the Anon Surgical Resident narrative is wrong. They cannot both be right. If he died in the OR, as implied by the 5:57 AM time of death, it also implied that the injuries were much worse than those described by Anon Surgical Resident. Perhaps major vascular injuries (aorta, vena cava, renal vascular injuries or much worse hepatic injuries that were more difficult to control). If he died in the OR or shortly thereafter in ICU, it is very unlikely that he wouldn't have been involved or at least known about it.
The other possibility is that the Police Report is not accurate, but if that is so it would be purposeful and not accidental. I'm not sure of the provenance of the Police Report that I have referenced above. I assume it was actually posted by DC Police. While the Anon Surgical Resident story sounds good at first, I'm not sure its not some kind of disinformation since the times don't match.
All I'm saying is to take "facts" about SR with a grain of salt and to keep digging for more facts.
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13Buddha ago
@Someone_Or_Other, I am a nurse, old-school, the best school. Worked 20 years in a hospital, adult med-surg; hemodialysis; ICU; and ER. After that, worked 18 years in a law firm as a nurse paralegal and now as legal nurse consultant. Way too much info, I know, but frankly, I don't give a damn.
This surgical resident 100% sounds like the real deal to me. It doesn't make sense for someone to make this up. The information he provided (or she) is 100% on target when it comes to medical lingo and chain of events.
What I see happening in the last week or so is that many of us have gotten to the point that we no longer know who to trust and what information to believe. Understandably so, but lack of trust will lead to more and more confusion. Common sense always and knowledge has to be our guide throughout this investigation.
For the past few days i have emphatically believed that this surgical resident is the real deal and consider it a major factor in this case. If others and I are proven wrong, I say,, so be it. We move on.
Setting-up Seth Rich was a beautifully orchestrated plan from the beginning to the very end, including the predicting of possible scenarios/outcomes that could go awry and implementing the next plan of action immediately.
IMHO, Seth Rich was murdered in the ICU postoperatively. No Code Blue was called, no death certifcate, no post-mortem, no medical records. We do have a surgical resident, but he is in his fcurth year of residency and likely will be on his way the end of June when his residency requirements come to an end, probably saying as he walks out that hospital door for the last time, "Fuck you, DC."
Are_we_sure ago
Actually a beautifully orchestrated plan would simply have killed him in the street. If was supposed to be dead it would have taken no more than 5 seconds to shoot him again in the head. You could have even spent another 45 seconds and made sure to take his wallet.
13Buddha ago
The shooter fucked-up. Who knows why? Something distracted him, could have been anything. Then, maybe he couldn't finish the job and had to.run like hell.
And, oh yes, I completely believe they can operate Plan B anywhere, even in a hospital, as strange as that may seem.
Are_we_sure ago
Yeah, that's your problem. Magical thinking. If that actually happened, once this story hit the papers, many people would come forward if this kid was doing fine and then just died. You wouldn't have this one medical LARPer coming forward months later. Just as if Kim Dotcom had the good last year, he would have shouted them from the rooftops. The people who LARP like this depend on your magical thinking to get traction.
13Buddha ago
First of all, I never heard of Kim Dotcom until he "magically" reappeared.
But there is nothing magical regarding the surgical resident and him coming forward close to a year later.
This resident was directly involved in Rich's care from the very beginning up until the time Rich went to ICU when he was barred from following his patient. This is a big red flag, because ANY surgical resident who operates on a patient or assists in the operation on a patient, follows that patient immediately, starting the minute he comes out of surgery until the time of discharge.
This resident knew something wasn't right. He took notes in order to maintain his recollection of events, just in case he needed them in the future. This is NOT unusual for any doctor or nurse to do, because a few years down the road, they may be faced with a medical malpractice lawsuit as a plaintiff, or at the very least, as a witness who will be deposed and possibly testify at trial if the case isn't settled beforehand.
This resident, more likely than not, was told to keep quiet. He followed news media after Rich's death and soon, all became quiet. Until a few weeks ago.
The narrative video I provided to another commenter on this submission makes complete sense. It is accurate and specific in terms of chain of events, medical terminology, and the treatment provided to Seth Rich for the duration of time that this resident was actively involved in the care and treatment of him.
Are_we_sure ago
The magic is you repeating every bit of an anonymous story as if it happened. Like it's real. The magic is you ignoring all the real workers who would know about this once Seth Rich's name hit the papers. And yet, we have one anonymous person claiming out this with no evidence to support it.
The LARP is strong.
13Buddha ago
You and I could go on and, you are certainly thick-headed @Are_we_sure. I am merely presenting what could have happened, and it's not a far out in left-field possibility. None of us have a crystal ball. Cut me some slack in that I am a nurse with 20 plus years of full-time employment in a large city hospital.
If you, @Are_we_sure, can pretend for a few moments that the information provided by the 4th year surgical resident is true, please read on. If not, let's not further waste each other's time.
Rich comes into the ER in the middle of the night on a weekend with a couple of bullets in his back. The ER figures out pretty damn quick that Rich needs to go to the operating room. Once the surgery is completed, Rich goes directly to ICU. Nothing magical about this. Rich didn't hang-out in ICU very long before he was dead.
Hospital Intensive Care Units are "closed" units, meaning 2 things. They have a door in which to enter and exit, and therefore an ICU does not "flow" into another section of the hospital. If you are working the night shift, and let's use the hours of 11 pm to 7 am, there are 50-60% less staff working as compared to the hours between 7 am and 11 pm. The 60% range is far from unusual on weekends and holidays.
Also, someone dying after surgery in an ICU environment is not unusual and equally so that nobody would be suspicious about a sudden postop death EXCEPT for the person who had his hands inside of Seth Rich, exploring, looking for damage done to vital organs, hoping he could save this guy's life, not knowing or caring who was on that operating table, and who expected Rich to live.
It is not magical that Rich's death in ICU would have to be a red flag to anybody except for the person who expected him to live.
Are_we_sure ago
The Far Out Left Field possibility is
Seth Rich being identified as VIP. No way this happens. No way the rest of this happens either. Staff being told not to talk about him and not to check on him Hospital being flooded with law enforcement who prevent people from seeing him. Sometime after 8 hours Seth Rich dies
AND when his name hits the papers, no one says boo. None of this is discovered by the news reporters on this case, no staff comes forward and says, "ya know there was some weird stuff the morning that kid died." Just one anonymous person months later comes forward on a political conspiracy site.
It's a story someone made up to deceive people. Literally incredible.
13Buddha ago
IF you believe that the 4th year surgical resident is for real who recently posted on 4chan, you will discover thast he had NO IDEA who Seth Rich was when he came into the hospital and had no idea that Seth Rich was A "VIP" until after the operation.
You are beating a dead horse. Seth Rich would have been classified as a trauma case before he even arrived to the ER. With a trauma case, nobody is concerned or gives a rat's ass to who or what you are, even if you are Jesus Christ himself. Identity means ABSOLUTELY NOTHING when you are working to save someone's life. In addition, It's not like Seth Rich was making news headlines before he was murdered.
When his name hit the papers after the murder, BFD. He was shot by an unknown assailant in what appeared to be an attempted robbery and died in the hospital within 2, 4, 6, 8, or whatever # of hours it was. Nothing strange about that except maybe a few hospital employees saying later on, "Oh, wow, that was the guy who was shot and died here the other night."
Also, Seth Rich wasn't a "VIP." in that sense of the word. Just because you work on the Hill, doesn't classify you as someone important. And again, I stress, hospital doctors and nurses everywhere do not give a damn who you are or what you do. It does not matter to them. And that is the way it should be.