It has been dismssed - never debunked. Podesta, nor Alifantis are yet to address any of the facts. Hell, Alifantis is still spinning the narrative of an inncocent little pizza parlor owner being harrasses by alt-right Trump supporters.
It's prebunked. Because it never was a coherent theory and it never backed up its claims, or it backed them up with only suspicion and speculation.
There is still today zero evidence that John Podesta spoke in code in his emails. There is zero evidence for the claims that using the words cheese, walnut, sauce, pasta are incriminating.
Here's the key sentence in the wikileaks entry.
The theory, which went viral, claimed that John Podesta's emails, which were leaked by WikiLeaks, contained coded messages referring to human trafficking and connecting a number of restaurants in the United States and members of the Democratic Party with a fabricated child-sex ring.
And the key challenge for @formatist is to prove that wrong.
Do you find the idea of toddlers kept in cages, raped, tortured and eaten (literally) amusing? If you do share it with us - what is it that you find amusing involving children and torture? After all - we can never be sure of anything.
Just look at Podesta, then look at Alifantis - then look at the emails. Pizza 'for' an hour??? Do you really need more evidence. I give you one, Andrew Brietbarts tweet on 2011, outing Podesta as a major child trafficker. He died shortly after.
More evidence - Check out Podesta's art work. Then archive CCP artwork. This is a child murdering cult - not 99%, 100%, absolute certainty. No buts bo ifs. They just hacked Macron's emails - same stuff! They are blaming on Russia again! See the pattern? It's global.
More evidence - Check out Podesta's art work. Then archive CCP artwork. This is a child murdering cult - not 99%, 100%, absolute certainty. No buts bo ifs.
GTFO, you have no evidence of a single child being harmed let alone certainty this is a child murdering cult. That's completely in your head.
That Andrew Breitbart thing is so dumb, I couldn't even type my response. My fingers froze.
And of course, the Russians were the ones who hacked Macron's emails, they didn't even try to hide it this time, specifically APT 28 who are GRU affiliated.
Examine the Dutreux case and Saville. The world is run by child murderers. Every institution has been compromised. Police chiefs, judges, 'detectives' , CIA (Finders) FBI are running the show. (FBI founder J.E.Hoover was a cross dressing homosexual) Should I take your word (don't know who the hell you are) or should I take word of Ted Gunderson? What many of us have suspected turned out to be true. I don't like when children are being tortured and murdered. National Security advisor Michael Flynn was removed because of he knew too much. It's not a question of who is involved but a question of who is not involved.
We have precedent, Saville, Haute la Garenne, Just recently Casa Pia - UN ambassador was senteced to 18 years, Dennis Hasterd, Jeffrey Epstein - both convicted pedophiles. Tony Podesta is friends with Hasterd and he is photographed with that American Psycho Ping Pong guy. Since Trump took office there have been over 4000 arrests - nothing in the media. Former VIP if Dyncorp was arrested. Media is also run by pedophiles (groomed for the job). Jacke Tappers wife listed Comet Ping Pong as her favorite restaurant - WTF! Then we have that Spirit Cooking with that demented Marina Abramovic - who happens to rub shoulders with every mega celebrity.
Depraved world.
They said exactly the same thing about Dutreux and Jimmy Saville case.
'The danger with the use of circumstantial evidence is that of logical gaps; subjective, inferential links of low probability or of insufficient degree'
People vs Cleague
22.NY.2d 363 (1968)
Laura Silsby is a convicted, certified child trafficker - Daily Mail 2010. She was arrested in Haiti trying to smuggle 33 children (real evidence) out of the Friends Of The Orphans, the very orphanage run by the Maccobies - Max Mcobby represented Alifantis - owner of CPP in the $850 000 blackmail case. Silsby was bailed out by a Jorge Pierlo, a notorious child trafficker wanted in 5 countries. Clintons were the initiators of the bail out - Daily Mail 2010. Silsby (now Gayler) works for the Amber Alert - psychopaths have wicked sense of humour.
People had been convicted of murders for a considerably less!
This 'circumstantial' evidence(s) ranks inferrential link of very high probability that warrants an investigation - and I will repeat
INVESTIGATION. There has been no investigation just as there was no investigation of Mark Dutreux when later Operation Othello was exposed as a cover up - as was Jimmy Saville and Ted Heath case (30 victims came forward and still no outcome) It is based on these 'circumstantial' evidence and the total lack of initiative by the authorities that has led the citizen journalists to conclude that a global murderous pedophile cult has infiltrated top tiers of of virtually every institution - just as told by late FBI chief Ted Gunderson.
People had been convicted of murders for a considerably less!
Are you high? You presented a mish-mosh. It's not even coherent. You may also want to look at what Silsby was convicted of.
Let's begin with the fact, you have your real evidence wrong
She was arrested in Haiti trying to smuggle 33 children (real evidence) out of the Friends Of The Orphans, the very orphanage run by the Maccobies
The children Silsby was dealing with were not in orphanages. In fact, there were not orphans. She went around to two poor towns in Haiti and told parents should could provide a better life for their children in an Orphanage she was trying to start. We know exactly where are 33 children were from 20 were from Calebasse and 13 were from EL Citron. EDIT: El Citron is a neighborhood of Port Au Prince
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/35507224/ns/world_news-haiti_earthquake/#.WRAQXvkrK6R
Friends of the Orphans is not an orphanage in Haiti. It's a fundraising group in United States . The group that runs the orphanages it raises funds for is Nuestro Pequeno Hermanos or NPH. Friends of the Orphans is now NPHUSA. NPH does have facilities in Haiti. None are in Calebasse and El Citron.
https://www.nph.org/ws/homes/home.php?haiti
There is no evidence whatsoever that Hillary or Bill Clinton had ever heard of Laura Silsby before she was arrested.
You claim Silsby was bailed out by Jorge Aníbal Torres Puello (not Pierlo) except he was exposed months before her trial. And he was the one who initiated contact. There's no evidence Silsby knew this guy before he contacted her church in Idaho. This article is from February
http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/16/world/americas/16haiti.html
Mr. Puello, whom Salvadoran police believe fled the country, was a fugitive when he enmeshed himself late last month in the case of the 10 church members from the United States.
Two days after they were arrested on Jan. 29 while attempting to take 33 children across the border from Haiti into the Dominican Republic, Mr. Puello called up an Idaho church where five of the 10 Americans attend, offering pro bono legal services. Two relatives called him back and accepted, and Mr. Puello then began acting as the group’s lawyer, even though he lacked a law degree. Since his background has emerged, some of the detainees have sought to distance themselves from the man.
My clients have never met Mr. Puello and know nothing about him,” said Caleb Stegall, the district attorney of Jefferson County, Kansas, who is representing Drew Culberth, Paul Thompson, Silas Thompson and Steve McMullin. “As far as my clients are concerned, Mr. Puello never spoke on their behalf and as far as I am concerned, Mr. Puello has no involvement in this case now on behalf of my clients.”
Hiram Sasser, who is representing Jim Allen, said his client never authorized Mr. Puello to represent him, either.
So far, there is no indication that Mr. Torres knew any of the Americans before they were detained by Haitian authorities on Jan. 29. Instead, it appears that on Jan. 31 Mr. Torres called the Idaho church that five of the 10 missionaries attended and, using the name Jorge Puello, offered his legal services pro bono.
Relatives of some of the detainees took him up on his offer, apparently not knowing with whom they were dealing. He ended up receiving tens of thousands of dollars, a small amount of which he said Tuesday he intended to return to the families. “It’s in the bank,” he said. “The problem is, I can’t show up in a bank and say, ‘Here I am.’ ”
He served a year in prison for bank fraud after trying to deposit a stolen check using someone else's name. Guess where the idea that Laura Silsby got kids from an orphanage Friends of the Orphans? The conman Jorge Puello. He said this on American TV, not knowing how Silsby actually got her kids and not knowing the AP would be able to find and interview the families of these children.
@Millennial_Falcon Please check the post above. The summary has this wrong.
Folger is the daughter of Michael Maccoby, who coaches leaders of Nuestros Pequeños Hermanos, or NPH, a large organization that runs orphanages all over the world. His son, Max Maccoby, is on the Boards of Directors of an NPH orphanage called Friends of the Orphans, which is one of 760 orphanages operating in Haiti, and happens to be the orphanage from which Silsby was caught trafficking children.
The summary has two things wrong.
It has the relationship between Friends of the Orphans and NPH backwards. NPH runs orphanages directly. Friends of the Orphans which is now NPHUSA is just a fundraising arm.
Silsby never took any children from any ophange, NPH or not. She got kids directly from their families. See the nbcnews article above. The AP investigated and found exactly where she got the kids from, 20 were from the town of Calebasse and 13 Citron neighborhood of Port Au Prince.
NPH has no facilities in either of these places.
Kenscoff, Haiti, opened in 1987, with over 430 children (an additional 350 from the Kenscoff community attend the onsite school; NPH also operates a home, school, pediatric hospital, rehabilitation center, and higher education program in Tabarre)
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GeorgeT ago
It has been dismssed - never debunked. Podesta, nor Alifantis are yet to address any of the facts. Hell, Alifantis is still spinning the narrative of an inncocent little pizza parlor owner being harrasses by alt-right Trump supporters.
Are_we_sure ago
It's prebunked. Because it never was a coherent theory and it never backed up its claims, or it backed them up with only suspicion and speculation.
There is still today zero evidence that John Podesta spoke in code in his emails. There is zero evidence for the claims that using the words cheese, walnut, sauce, pasta are incriminating.
Here's the key sentence in the wikileaks entry.
And the key challenge for @formatist is to prove that wrong.
GeorgeT ago
Do you find the idea of toddlers kept in cages, raped, tortured and eaten (literally) amusing? If you do share it with us - what is it that you find amusing involving children and torture? After all - we can never be sure of anything.
You picked the wrong guy to troll buddy.
Are_we_sure ago
No. And I no idea where you get that idea. And of course, I am not trolling.
I find there's no way you can get to those crimes from John Podesta's emails without distorting the evidence.
GeorgeT ago
Just look at Podesta, then look at Alifantis - then look at the emails. Pizza 'for' an hour??? Do you really need more evidence. I give you one, Andrew Brietbarts tweet on 2011, outing Podesta as a major child trafficker. He died shortly after. More evidence - Check out Podesta's art work. Then archive CCP artwork. This is a child murdering cult - not 99%, 100%, absolute certainty. No buts bo ifs. They just hacked Macron's emails - same stuff! They are blaming on Russia again! See the pattern? It's global.
Are_we_sure ago
GTFO, you have no evidence of a single child being harmed let alone certainty this is a child murdering cult. That's completely in your head.
That Andrew Breitbart thing is so dumb, I couldn't even type my response. My fingers froze.
And of course, the Russians were the ones who hacked Macron's emails, they didn't even try to hide it this time, specifically APT 28 who are GRU affiliated.
GeorgeT ago
Examine the Dutreux case and Saville. The world is run by child murderers. Every institution has been compromised. Police chiefs, judges, 'detectives' , CIA (Finders) FBI are running the show. (FBI founder J.E.Hoover was a cross dressing homosexual) Should I take your word (don't know who the hell you are) or should I take word of Ted Gunderson? What many of us have suspected turned out to be true. I don't like when children are being tortured and murdered. National Security advisor Michael Flynn was removed because of he knew too much. It's not a question of who is involved but a question of who is not involved. We have precedent, Saville, Haute la Garenne, Just recently Casa Pia - UN ambassador was senteced to 18 years, Dennis Hasterd, Jeffrey Epstein - both convicted pedophiles. Tony Podesta is friends with Hasterd and he is photographed with that American Psycho Ping Pong guy. Since Trump took office there have been over 4000 arrests - nothing in the media. Former VIP if Dyncorp was arrested. Media is also run by pedophiles (groomed for the job). Jacke Tappers wife listed Comet Ping Pong as her favorite restaurant - WTF! Then we have that Spirit Cooking with that demented Marina Abramovic - who happens to rub shoulders with every mega celebrity. Depraved world.
GeorgeT ago
They said exactly the same thing about Dutreux and Jimmy Saville case.
'The danger with the use of circumstantial evidence is that of logical gaps; subjective, inferential links of low probability or of insufficient degree' People vs Cleague 22.NY.2d 363 (1968)
Laura Silsby is a convicted, certified child trafficker - Daily Mail 2010. She was arrested in Haiti trying to smuggle 33 children (real evidence) out of the Friends Of The Orphans, the very orphanage run by the Maccobies - Max Mcobby represented Alifantis - owner of CPP in the $850 000 blackmail case. Silsby was bailed out by a Jorge Pierlo, a notorious child trafficker wanted in 5 countries. Clintons were the initiators of the bail out - Daily Mail 2010. Silsby (now Gayler) works for the Amber Alert - psychopaths have wicked sense of humour. People had been convicted of murders for a considerably less! This 'circumstantial' evidence(s) ranks inferrential link of very high probability that warrants an investigation - and I will repeat INVESTIGATION. There has been no investigation just as there was no investigation of Mark Dutreux when later Operation Othello was exposed as a cover up - as was Jimmy Saville and Ted Heath case (30 victims came forward and still no outcome) It is based on these 'circumstantial' evidence and the total lack of initiative by the authorities that has led the citizen journalists to conclude that a global murderous pedophile cult has infiltrated top tiers of of virtually every institution - just as told by late FBI chief Ted Gunderson.
Are_we_sure ago
Are you high? You presented a mish-mosh. It's not even coherent. You may also want to look at what Silsby was convicted of.
Let's begin with the fact, you have your real evidence wrong
The children Silsby was dealing with were not in orphanages. In fact, there were not orphans. She went around to two poor towns in Haiti and told parents should could provide a better life for their children in an Orphanage she was trying to start. We know exactly where are 33 children were from 20 were from Calebasse and 13 were from EL Citron. EDIT: El Citron is a neighborhood of Port Au Prince http://www.nbcnews.com/id/35507224/ns/world_news-haiti_earthquake/#.WRAQXvkrK6R
Friends of the Orphans is not an orphanage in Haiti. It's a fundraising group in United States . The group that runs the orphanages it raises funds for is Nuestro Pequeno Hermanos or NPH. Friends of the Orphans is now NPHUSA. NPH does have facilities in Haiti. None are in Calebasse and El Citron. https://www.nph.org/ws/homes/home.php?haiti
There is no evidence whatsoever that Hillary or Bill Clinton had ever heard of Laura Silsby before she was arrested.
You claim Silsby was bailed out by Jorge Aníbal Torres Puello (not Pierlo) except he was exposed months before her trial. And he was the one who initiated contact. There's no evidence Silsby knew this guy before he contacted her church in Idaho. This article is from February http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/16/world/americas/16haiti.html
This from Feb 24 seems to indicate Puello was a con man. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/02/24/world/americas/24puello.html
He served a year in prison for bank fraud after trying to deposit a stolen check using someone else's name. Guess where the idea that Laura Silsby got kids from an orphanage Friends of the Orphans? The conman Jorge Puello. He said this on American TV, not knowing how Silsby actually got her kids and not knowing the AP would be able to find and interview the families of these children.
Attention @Millennial_Falcon
Are_we_sure ago
@Millennial_Falcon Please check the post above. The summary has this wrong.
The summary has two things wrong. It has the relationship between Friends of the Orphans and NPH backwards. NPH runs orphanages directly. Friends of the Orphans which is now NPHUSA is just a fundraising arm.
Silsby never took any children from any ophange, NPH or not. She got kids directly from their families. See the nbcnews article above. The AP investigated and found exactly where she got the kids from, 20 were from the town of Calebasse and 13 Citron neighborhood of Port Au Prince.
NPH has no facilities in either of these places.
Kenscoff, Haiti, opened in 1987, with over 430 children (an additional 350 from the Kenscoff community attend the onsite school; NPH also operates a home, school, pediatric hospital, rehabilitation center, and higher education program in Tabarre)
Millennial_Falcon ago
I will look into this. Thank you.