Tim Black was a guest on Mike Trimm's show:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_314o8Tab0
I can't pretend to know the reasoning behind Mike's claim that pizzagate is an "obvious false flag", nor why he and Tim won't put even 30 minutes of actual research into this crime (which they clearly have not, given the statements in this video), but could someone explain what on earth this could even mean?
How could pizzagate be a "false flag"?
This little clip was upsetting to me on several levels. My most visceral reaction was summed up best in the comments section,
Chicken shits!!! Like putting politicians in compromising situations for later blackmail hasn't been going on since the beginning of time! Any reporter worth their salt would explore this serious issue. It's about life and death... for the most vulnerable of us! Children! Is pedo island and the Lollita express a false flag too! You couldn't be bothered to investigate it!?!
So often the real wisdom of The People is found in the comments sections (Voat being a prime example!), so let me use this opportunity to highlight some of the responses to this video:
you don't really need to speculate much when its written in black and white like it is. has anyone read the email that's talking about entertainment in the form of 3 children (with their names and ages) in the hot tub? 3 children in a hot tub with grown men? could anyone shed some light on this for me? I'm nit talking about all the emails in which they're talking in code. I'm talking specifically about the aforementioned email. anyone here care to "debunk" that one for me?
Shill response: There was never a 'hot tub' mentioned. Luzzatto mentioned the pool would be getting heated (it was October) so a swim would be a possibility. The invite list included about 8 women and 8 men, not just a group of men. Luzzatto is the children's step grandmother, so was likely just showing her pride that she has them coming over and letting her friends know a bit about them. It also lets her friends know what to expect. They may have been expecting a quiet, sophisticated dinner party for adults. This way, she lets them know there will be loud boisterous children splashing about in a pool. In that context, she was most likely being sarcastic with the use of the word ''entertainment'.
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The simple fact that there was not a single investigation on it, that Ben Swann went completely dark after doing a simple report on pizzagate, that anybody that talks about it gets attacked immediately, why the owner of that pizzeria is one of the 50th most influential persons in Washington... Wikileaks opened the door to the information.. the only false flag was the actor they hired to do the shooting in the pizzeria, that's what they used to debunk the story... I just think a lot of youtube channels just want to be on the safe side.. and I understand...
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I liked the way Ben Swann covered it (his last You Tube video). he said that he didn't know what it was about for certain, but it's about something more than pizza, and someone needs to look at it.
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Tim, anyone who spends even one day investigating this subject matter would know it's real. There is no doubt about it. Look what happened to Ben Swann for even talking about it briefly. #PizzagateIsRealAF
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I'm not a journalist, but David Seaman summed up my thoughts well today, so let me quote him:
"Many of my colleagues were absolutely pathetic cowards on [pizzagate] and they will never live it down...to remain silent on pedogate when you're a journalist, when you have a column, or a youtube channel, or a TV show, to remain silent on this scandal is so unacceptable. Journalists are supposed to break scandals, to hold the powerful to account..." https://youtu.be/1ijmHWWZSkc?t=1h3m45s
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Pizzalawyer ago
I think there has been some misunderstanding here re: Mike Trimm who had less than 9000 viewers for his false flag episode. He in effect argues that Pizzagate is real to the extent it applies to child sex trafficking in general but it is not real as it applies to Podesta and Alefantis and others. He is of the opinion that there is insufficient evidence to implicate these particular folks. He goes on to say that if such trafficking is CIA controlled then Pizzagate is a false flag. Well the CIA cannot possibly control all trafficking - is he talking about Alefantis/Podesta? He really doesn't make any sense to me with this false flag argument and this detracts from the efforts and findings of the research community.
Regarding Alefantis/Podesta is he challenging the adequacy of the evidence from the point of view of conviction or arrest or further investigation by law enforcement? He needs to clarify himself because there is certainly evidence to justify putting the Alefantis crowd under scrutiny such as surveillance in order to obtain enough evidence to arrest and later convict.
From his commentary Mr. Trimm seems unaware of the extensive evidence unearthed since the first few weeks following the emails release as it pertains to the Alefantis/Podesta crowd to say nothing of the wealth of information unearthed about child trafficking in general. Mr. Trimm is pontificating based upon a smidgen of data and thus his opinions are worthless and yet can harm those of us dedicated to this issue. He's a jerk, pay him no mind. At least Mr. Black had the intelligence to admit that he didn't have enough information to form an opinion.
But Mr. Trimm does challenge us to find more evidence and the Pizzagate community needs to decide whether the goal is to close in on Alefantis/Podesta/Washington DC or are we to forever chase down every lead on child sex trafficking worldwide, the latter goal being impossible in my judgment. Just what is our mission here?
V____Z ago
So many good points in this comment. Especially the very last one. If we are (and we are) turning the pizzagate investigation into a pedogate one, which means almost anything to do with pedophilia anywhere in the world can be included in this sub, then we have watered down the investigation to the point that it is almost meaningless. I've suggested before that we keep Pizzagate focussed on the DC crowd and Podesta emails, and let v/pedogate be the spot for the worldwide phenomenon. The idea goes over like a dead weight. I think it's fabulous for the perps to have our subverse here be overwhelmed by details that have nothing to do with pizzagate proper. Good leads are forgotten or quickly buried, we are seemingly 100% unorganized, and have the entire establishment working against us. I'm not sure what to do.
Pizzalawyer ago
Amen, its turning into Pizza/PedoTrivia. I want to see a packet of evidence fall into Trey Gowdys lap!
V____Z ago
Amen! I won't stop until Hillary is in jail.