Tim Black was a guest on Mike Trimm's show:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_314o8Tab0
I can't pretend to know the reasoning behind Mike's claim that pizzagate is an "obvious false flag", nor why he and Tim won't put even 30 minutes of actual research into this crime (which they clearly have not, given the statements in this video), but could someone explain what on earth this could even mean?
How could pizzagate be a "false flag"?
This little clip was upsetting to me on several levels. My most visceral reaction was summed up best in the comments section,
Chicken shits!!! Like putting politicians in compromising situations for later blackmail hasn't been going on since the beginning of time! Any reporter worth their salt would explore this serious issue. It's about life and death... for the most vulnerable of us! Children! Is pedo island and the Lollita express a false flag too! You couldn't be bothered to investigate it!?!
So often the real wisdom of The People is found in the comments sections (Voat being a prime example!), so let me use this opportunity to highlight some of the responses to this video:
you don't really need to speculate much when its written in black and white like it is. has anyone read the email that's talking about entertainment in the form of 3 children (with their names and ages) in the hot tub? 3 children in a hot tub with grown men? could anyone shed some light on this for me? I'm nit talking about all the emails in which they're talking in code. I'm talking specifically about the aforementioned email. anyone here care to "debunk" that one for me?
Shill response: There was never a 'hot tub' mentioned. Luzzatto mentioned the pool would be getting heated (it was October) so a swim would be a possibility. The invite list included about 8 women and 8 men, not just a group of men. Luzzatto is the children's step grandmother, so was likely just showing her pride that she has them coming over and letting her friends know a bit about them. It also lets her friends know what to expect. They may have been expecting a quiet, sophisticated dinner party for adults. This way, she lets them know there will be loud boisterous children splashing about in a pool. In that context, she was most likely being sarcastic with the use of the word ''entertainment'.
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The simple fact that there was not a single investigation on it, that Ben Swann went completely dark after doing a simple report on pizzagate, that anybody that talks about it gets attacked immediately, why the owner of that pizzeria is one of the 50th most influential persons in Washington... Wikileaks opened the door to the information.. the only false flag was the actor they hired to do the shooting in the pizzeria, that's what they used to debunk the story... I just think a lot of youtube channels just want to be on the safe side.. and I understand...
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I liked the way Ben Swann covered it (his last You Tube video). he said that he didn't know what it was about for certain, but it's about something more than pizza, and someone needs to look at it.
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Tim, anyone who spends even one day investigating this subject matter would know it's real. There is no doubt about it. Look what happened to Ben Swann for even talking about it briefly. #PizzagateIsRealAF
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I'm not a journalist, but David Seaman summed up my thoughts well today, so let me quote him:
"Many of my colleagues were absolutely pathetic cowards on [pizzagate] and they will never live it down...to remain silent on pedogate when you're a journalist, when you have a column, or a youtube channel, or a TV show, to remain silent on this scandal is so unacceptable. Journalists are supposed to break scandals, to hold the powerful to account..." https://youtu.be/1ijmHWWZSkc?t=1h3m45s
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quantokitty ago
WTH is Mike Trimm and why should I care what he thinks?
V____Z ago
Tim Black is a big youtuber, and has a big following on Twitter. Mike Trimm is not as well known, but Tim just had him as a guest on his show, so Mike's influence will likely be growing. A lot of people do listen to Trimm, he is most known for reporting on Wikileaks related matters, and broke a story about Huma being a spy, his video was so damning that he was forced to take it down. Supposedly tptb told him they would be making busts related to what he revealed in his video, but the info couldn't be released yet. That's when I first heard of him, and when he got his street cred on Twitter. In some circles, his influence is on par with with George Webb, so I think it does deserve mention. And Tim has such a large audience that this video could potentially have a lot of viewers. Even if Mikes voice isn't huge at this time, the more and more alt voices debunk or dismiss or muddy the pizzagate waters, the harder it will be for us to get the alt community to listen to us. So I want to call them out at every turn. Mike should be made to explain himself, IMO. And he can't, so he should be embarrassed or made to do a proper Benn Swann style expose if he wants to continue calling himself an investigator.
quantokitty ago
My point wasn't that you shouldn't have posted the info. Definitely post it so we know what's going on, and just as importantly, who to trust. I don't know Black or Trimm ... or Webb for that matter -- not before pizzagate .... so for them to think I'd care laughable. As for their followers, don't know. When some advances an obvious shill narrative, it usually opens eyes, makes them think. Sometimes it confirms suspicions. I call it them having an, "Alex Jones moment." It's the moment you lose all credibility and fold like a cheap suit.
V____Z ago
Exactly. I'm kind of forcing the "Alex Jones moment" here. Anyone gatekeeping or hindering our efforts is going to get called out (unless they literally have no influence, then it's not worth our time).
quantokitty ago
Yeah, we don't want to make them famous. Let 'em get their own goddamn audience through their own publicity.
V____Z ago
There's something about letting them get away with making false claims that bothers me. I also think it opens up a good conversation. Media is always 'debunking' pizzagate and framing us however they wish, but when and where do WE get to debunk THEM, even the nobodies, in the same way? Only here, and Steemit. I also truly wanted to understand how people could refer to PG as a false flag, thinking perhaps my understanding of the term was way off. So this post answered that for me - i'm not off, those who call it a FF are. It's really in the debunking that we do in these comments that the investigation continues ( at least for me ). For instance, i didn't know that the "heated pool" email contained a remark equating it to having an affair! Someone in the comments here just said that.
I guess what i'm saying is this post had multiple purposes, and very little has to do with Mike Trimm per se.
quantokitty ago
Well, think about Bill Clinton. He denied, denied, denied, denied everything right up to the smoking gun --- the infamous blue dress. I think what makes these idiot's remarks seem authentic is the press. It's the missing component between them and us. "Them" have their words in print and legitimized while "us" come here and only validate each other through posts such as these. Yup, the press is why no one takes us seriously, because if Joe Biden really had fondled that little girl's breast, well, dadgummit, the WaPo & NYT would have said so, but they didn't so he's just a friendly goofy guy and not a perv.
V____Z ago
Ugggggggghhhhhh I know. At the same time, they flaunt in our faces that yes, this stuff goes on that's just the way it is. On last nights HBO "Veep", one of the congressmen after shaking another ones hand, got out the Purell and made a comment about the pedophiles sweaty hand, saying "he's ruined more children's lives than common core". It's just a joke. In the preview for next week, this same guy is shown getting excited about attending a conference on sex trafficking. He is then corrected and told its an anti sex trafficking conference. Now he's bummed. While we are being called crazy conspiracy theorists, we are simultaneously supposed to laugh at this? Rubbing it in our faces?!
quantokitty ago
Yes. This. I mean, WTH? But the constant parading it in a joking fashion in front of our eyes is supposed to normalize it. Then when we hear someone talking or posting about it, like James Alefantis and his crew, we dismiss it as a joke because that's what the guy on HBO did. He was just joking so JA was just joking. No, it's not funny. If people are fined for dropping the F bomb, they should be banned from TV for joking about pedophilia.
equineluvr ago
Very insightful. Spot on. ^