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The protests need to be bigger. And they will get bigger. But it's hard to know who to trust. And there's risk involved. So it's a bit disorganized.
What I would like to see is people who have more power and/or influence start coming out and spilling the beans. Some who are willing to take a risk for the good of humanity. Those things the public can get behind. It may get censored, but there are ways around that.
no one here thinks that, we are well aware that the problem exists with people who are everywhere on the political spectrum. The testimony of FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds made that abundantly clear.
It's a bit more complicated then that, you see protests are effective when you got solid bluepill leads that are being suppressed in msm, we got lots of circumstantial evidence, enough to warrant further investigation but not enough to convince.
So the best we could do is protest for people to look into certain bluepill leads as well as dispel this "basement of CPP" crap they have been peddling. If we go early and they debunk one of the protestors on air we will look like nutjobs.
If we wait, get a smoking gun lead on something that is well known (like Maddie) then we got a good chance of turning public opinion.
I'm not sure if this would be a good forum to post a carpool or meeting area for each state for the next protest but I think we could get many more people to attend this way . I am tired of having nightmares and letting this sick freaks get away with hurting innocent children .
I'm sure we could use one of the spin off sub verses here to do that, like pizzagatewhatever, or even start afresh one just for helping to organize rides to protests.
Because we are scared for our lives. Everyone has been and still is "suiciding" themselves. The death count surrounding the clintons has always been shocking. Now we know why.
You dont get it.
Investigating p.g. can get you killed.
The elite love their child sex slaves so much they will kill to protect their trade and their reputations
I would honestly have loved to go to each protest but I live quite far and do not drive because of a life changing car accident that crushed my spine. If there were a more organized way to get groups of people in each state to get together and carpool ( they could also chip in on gas ) I think a lot more would show up . Remember a lot of us here in the U.S. are also living paycheck to paycheck while these sick sadistic freaks make money off of our suffering . I know from going to a past protest this way ( carpooling ) it gets a lot more people to go as well as getting a lot of us together so we can meet in person , talk about plans and weed out the nut cases or " shills " as some of you call them. I may not say much here but I do try to share things when I can , upvote and tell everyone in my life what is going on.
Think of how these vile people control the populace psychologically, you know what would be a much better use of energy, running those same types of psychological operations against those people in return.
That is correct. That is what we call kicking them when they're down. That's the sick type of person he is. That's what that was, and he is hoping for the day he can lurch at us from behind, and out of the shadows, to slice our jugulars, then drink our blood.
Actually they only found encrypted files on a secure part of the website. The hacker who found those files says he hacked into them and found child porn but he provided no evidence or even explained how he hacked into the files.
That's not good, that points to the hacker being a psyop as well.
You may be right, and I feel terrible for not having the courage to be open about this, especially if it's in any way prolonging the suffering of others. This is how the sick fucks control us, and I hate them (and myself) for it
Some of us aren't US-based. Also, showing your face in public at one of these events in age of social media risks knock-on effects in other parts of your life like job etc. It's selfish but the reality is most people aren't ready to believe and probably think we're crazy, and that can do untold damage in your personal and professional life. I've been castigated by close friends even for trying to somewhat balanced about Trump rather than 100% "he's an unhinged dictator who's going to throw gay people in concentration camps", can't imagine how they'd handle me going on about a global child trafficking network run by the elite and involving satanic worship and child sacrifice. I'd probably be sectioned
''One need not destroy one's enemy. One need only destroy his willingness to engage''
Wear and tear. Hope rejected, hope rejected, hope rejected. How many are battle worn? They see this happening and they're smiling as they think their winning the war, but it's only one battle. The war is far from over.
Stormer you lost me. Those are my words and my conclusion at having watched this cluster fuck for the past 6 months.
No one is manipulating my brain, I'm just acknowledging some pretty basic facts. As it stands today there isn't enough evidence to charge anyone with anything.
You can live in a fantasy world where you don't have to deal with that or you can accept reality.
Truth is, most that see through the veil also understand the game. There needs to be a trigger to set off a movement. There were many times triggers were believed were going to happen and didn't. Draining the swamp and it's meaning, Then it was hoping for when Trump got into office, Hope for Weiner's investigation going public with the MSM giving it fair coverage, Then it was Sessions,or hope The Flynn's would help, More hope when the Laptop got stolen, Hope for someone from The NYPD to leak something, Then the DCGirls, The Pizzagate protests, Hillary's tweet, and more recently Craig Sawyer and his movement etc etc... There are many things people were hoping for and have yet to happen. I guarantee you if and when it does. Many, many people will lend a voice to make this extremely deafening, but until then, most will walk in the wings silently, playing the game, waiting for that moment. In a way, they have us exactly where they want us.
As we've seen all too many times through the ages, putting your faith in those in positions of power to end injustice is a fruitless task.
There's a person out there somewhere with the ability to access hard evidence, actual footage, that if released would leave the general public under no illusion that their very existence is being manipulated and controlled by actual psychopaths. Then we'd see marching on the streets like we've never seen before.
That person(s) just need to come forward now, expose the truth so we can get this show on the road. Don't put your faith in politicians...ever.
All the evidence pointing to a larger pedo ring isn't strong enough to arrest anyone. And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying nothing happened. I'm just pointing out much if not all the evidence is ambiguous. People are innocent until proven guilty so ambiguous evidence just doesn't cut it.
Possibly. It's the only rational explanation for all the in your face Pedophilia stuff. The Buck's Camping and Fishing web site landing page has a napkin folded to make it look like childrens underwear. Also the name "Buck" refers to the target of a Pedophile's affection. At CPP someone drew graffiti on the wall of an alien ejaculating on a ping pong table while he plays ping pong with a little boy. Then they wrote "Shut up and fuck" next to it. There's a bunch of sketchy shit like that.
I don't talk much about it publicly at the moment. I'm getting some heavy resistance when I bring it up.
So for now I'm playing the slow game for a while and trying to be strategic about this whole thing.
Protests can occasionally be kind of shitty without fair TV coverage. They try to paint you any way they like. They can turn the public against you unless you've really got your shit together. And even then, you have to worry about fucking paid instigators and other bull shit like that.
I'm not saying I wouldn't go to a protest ever... but I could see why people wouldn't go out of their way to go to protests, even if they are vocal on the web.
I mean there's a reason why they've gotten away with it for soooo long. People don't believe it, don't want to believe it, or believe it and don't want to or are too scared to do anything about it. This is definitely an uphill battle to Mount Everest.
"very few are showing up at protests and people are shouting at the protesters."
This is exactly what's supposed to happen. CPP was a psyop and a red herring. It worked perfectly by branding anyone who thought kids were getting abused as right wing bigoted fascists.
But a war is made up of many battles. They can win a battle but still lose the war. Pizzagate was the Deplorable Horde Army's Kasserine Pass..
The good news is after the baptism by fire at Kasserine Pass Patton proceeded to go through the Afrika Corp like shit through a goose.
This is simply how the battle is going to be. You're going to feel like you're pounding your head on a wall like we all do. Just keep researching and doing as much as you can to document as many pertinent questions and significant points as possible. Somewhere out there, there is somebody who can do far more than us. And I think deep down we're helping them. At least helped them to a certain point, but there's only so much we can do. Keep making connections and find the GOOD questions that need to be answered. And there are some **** good questions.
Vindicator ago
If you did it using the approach I just outlined, no. The links have to be actual support for whatever your stated premise is, as opposed to miscellaneous stuff cobbled together. If you are sharing research and your observations about it, rather than just making a general statement, you should be fine.
Vindicator ago
It's right in Removed Submissions at the bottom of the sidebar. All you have to do is repost it, adhering to the guidelines.
Vindicator ago
Sure sounded like asking for tips. Please link me to these many posts that don't meet guidelines? You certainly haven't pointed them out to me.
Vindicator ago
The simplest formula in general is:
Write a headline that states your premise: your topic, and why it's important to our investigation of eltie pedophiles
Provide links that demonstrate support for your premise -- that something is actually happening, people are saying X and Y about it, etc.
Don't skip over any important pieces of your argument or the evidence for them (common in disinfo posts)
The more vague your headline/thesis is, the harder it will be to cite supporting sources and cover all the important elements of the argument. Does this make sense?
I realize it is a lot more work -- but that is why we have v/pizzagatewhatever.
Another approach if you don't want to go to all the effort to write a bonafide research post is to post this as a comment in other thread(s). You can use the formatting buttons to give it a headline to make it stand out, just like with a separate post (the "H" button gives you several options). If you can't see these buttons, you may be on mobile -- try "view desktop site" in your browser settings.
Vindicator ago
@Battle_of_Evermore: this is an important discussion topic; I am frustrated to have to remove this post because you did not take the time to write it as a research posts satisfying the v/pizzagate submission guidelines in the sidebar. We don't allow unsourced discussion posts on v/pizzagate -- we have a separate subverse for those (v/pizzagatewhatever). Please rewrite this as a research post with links supporting what your are concerned about (there are several live threads in this subverse right now that contain links that would be perfect). Also, please write a headline that clearly states the problem, rather than a vague generalization. Don't forget to add the link to this original post, which will be in Removed Submissions, so people can access all these comments.
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Please review the community-established submission guidelines for v/pizzagate research posts in the sidebar on the right (view desktop site if on mobile).
Also, a friendly reminder of the Voat User Agreement:
unbiased_researcher ago
The protests need to be bigger. And they will get bigger. But it's hard to know who to trust. And there's risk involved. So it's a bit disorganized.
What I would like to see is people who have more power and/or influence start coming out and spilling the beans. Some who are willing to take a risk for the good of humanity. Those things the public can get behind. It may get censored, but there are ways around that.
UnicornsAndSparkles ago
James Woods, Roseann Bar
unbiased_researcher ago
Yes they have done a good job, but that's all? There has to be a whole lot more that know. They need to come forward.
wrok-wrok ago
International.
The internet is still enabling minds to change.
This stuff isnt changed through protests or on forums.
mathemagician33 ago
no one here thinks that, we are well aware that the problem exists with people who are everywhere on the political spectrum. The testimony of FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds made that abundantly clear.
Chatman ago
It's a bit more complicated then that, you see protests are effective when you got solid bluepill leads that are being suppressed in msm, we got lots of circumstantial evidence, enough to warrant further investigation but not enough to convince.
So the best we could do is protest for people to look into certain bluepill leads as well as dispel this "basement of CPP" crap they have been peddling. If we go early and they debunk one of the protestors on air we will look like nutjobs.
If we wait, get a smoking gun lead on something that is well known (like Maddie) then we got a good chance of turning public opinion.
UnicornsAndSparkles ago
I don't think they expected their emails to be made public. What we see now is panicked, rushed cover ups.
Red4reel35 ago
I'm not sure if this would be a good forum to post a carpool or meeting area for each state for the next protest but I think we could get many more people to attend this way . I am tired of having nightmares and letting this sick freaks get away with hurting innocent children .
V____Z ago
I'm sure we could use one of the spin off sub verses here to do that, like pizzagatewhatever, or even start afresh one just for helping to organize rides to protests.
UnicornsAndSparkles ago
Because we are scared for our lives. Everyone has been and still is "suiciding" themselves. The death count surrounding the clintons has always been shocking. Now we know why.
Touchdown50 ago
You dont get it. Investigating p.g. can get you killed. The elite love their child sex slaves so much they will kill to protect their trade and their reputations
Mad_As_Hell ago
Hope they're paying you well
Red4reel35 ago
I would honestly have loved to go to each protest but I live quite far and do not drive because of a life changing car accident that crushed my spine. If there were a more organized way to get groups of people in each state to get together and carpool ( they could also chip in on gas ) I think a lot more would show up . Remember a lot of us here in the U.S. are also living paycheck to paycheck while these sick sadistic freaks make money off of our suffering . I know from going to a past protest this way ( carpooling ) it gets a lot more people to go as well as getting a lot of us together so we can meet in person , talk about plans and weed out the nut cases or " shills " as some of you call them. I may not say much here but I do try to share things when I can , upvote and tell everyone in my life what is going on.
Stormer-chan ago
Think of how these vile people control the populace psychologically, you know what would be a much better use of energy, running those same types of psychological operations against those people in return.
Mad_As_Hell ago
Thanks, I really appreciate that, it can be a lonely road :)
V____Z ago
There are a whole bunch of us feeling the exact same way. Alone, but in good company.
The_Roman_Numeral ago
That is correct. That is what we call kicking them when they're down. That's the sick type of person he is. That's what that was, and he is hoping for the day he can lurch at us from behind, and out of the shadows, to slice our jugulars, then drink our blood.
DarkMath ago
"someone found CP on CPP's site."
Actually they only found encrypted files on a secure part of the website. The hacker who found those files says he hacked into them and found child porn but he provided no evidence or even explained how he hacked into the files.
That's not good, that points to the hacker being a psyop as well.
Mad_As_Hell ago
You may be right, and I feel terrible for not having the courage to be open about this, especially if it's in any way prolonging the suffering of others. This is how the sick fucks control us, and I hate them (and myself) for it
kazza64 ago
i think they have their safe little world and they really dont want to know
kazza64 ago
digging for the truth and sharing it
Mad_As_Hell ago
Some of us aren't US-based. Also, showing your face in public at one of these events in age of social media risks knock-on effects in other parts of your life like job etc. It's selfish but the reality is most people aren't ready to believe and probably think we're crazy, and that can do untold damage in your personal and professional life. I've been castigated by close friends even for trying to somewhat balanced about Trump rather than 100% "he's an unhinged dictator who's going to throw gay people in concentration camps", can't imagine how they'd handle me going on about a global child trafficking network run by the elite and involving satanic worship and child sacrifice. I'd probably be sectioned
The_Roman_Numeral ago
''One need not destroy one's enemy. One need only destroy his willingness to engage''
Wear and tear. Hope rejected, hope rejected, hope rejected. How many are battle worn? They see this happening and they're smiling as they think their winning the war, but it's only one battle. The war is far from over.
DarkMath ago
First up don't get mad at me, don't shoot the messenger. I'm just trying to explain what happened to the best of my knowledge.
"There is plenty of evidence."......What evidence is strong enough to be used in court?
Stormer-chan ago
This would imply that you are carrying someone else's words instead of your own.
DarkMath ago
Stormer you lost me. Those are my words and my conclusion at having watched this cluster fuck for the past 6 months.
No one is manipulating my brain, I'm just acknowledging some pretty basic facts. As it stands today there isn't enough evidence to charge anyone with anything.
You can live in a fantasy world where you don't have to deal with that or you can accept reality.
Stormer-chan ago
Not to counter-signal but protesting won't do a lot.
kazza64 ago
most of us are introverts ?
The_Roman_Numeral ago
Truth is, most that see through the veil also understand the game. There needs to be a trigger to set off a movement. There were many times triggers were believed were going to happen and didn't. Draining the swamp and it's meaning, Then it was hoping for when Trump got into office, Hope for Weiner's investigation going public with the MSM giving it fair coverage, Then it was Sessions,or hope The Flynn's would help, More hope when the Laptop got stolen, Hope for someone from The NYPD to leak something, Then the DCGirls, The Pizzagate protests, Hillary's tweet, and more recently Craig Sawyer and his movement etc etc... There are many things people were hoping for and have yet to happen. I guarantee you if and when it does. Many, many people will lend a voice to make this extremely deafening, but until then, most will walk in the wings silently, playing the game, waiting for that moment. In a way, they have us exactly where they want us.
blumeanie ago
As we've seen all too many times through the ages, putting your faith in those in positions of power to end injustice is a fruitless task.
There's a person out there somewhere with the ability to access hard evidence, actual footage, that if released would leave the general public under no illusion that their very existence is being manipulated and controlled by actual psychopaths. Then we'd see marching on the streets like we've never seen before.
That person(s) just need to come forward now, expose the truth so we can get this show on the road. Don't put your faith in politicians...ever.
The_Roman_Numeral ago
Much agreed. History tells us that whistleblowers are the warriors of truth and light. We would be in ignorance bliss was it not for them.
DonKeyhote ago
It's playoff season. Paint yourself and go streaking. I would but my balls are actually TOO big and would identify me immediately.
DarkMath ago
"we could trace to a larger pedo ring?"
All the evidence pointing to a larger pedo ring isn't strong enough to arrest anyone. And don't get me wrong, I'm not saying nothing happened. I'm just pointing out much if not all the evidence is ambiguous. People are innocent until proven guilty so ambiguous evidence just doesn't cut it.
Sorry, I gotta call a spade a spade.
DonKeyhote ago
Because protesting is for faggots. There are many ways to effect change but they take more balls than holding a sign for three hours.
UnicornsAndSparkles ago
http://yournewswire.com/south-korea-millions-protest-shadow-government/
DarkMath ago
"pre-plan this all together years in advance?"
Possibly. It's the only rational explanation for all the in your face Pedophilia stuff. The Buck's Camping and Fishing web site landing page has a napkin folded to make it look like childrens underwear. Also the name "Buck" refers to the target of a Pedophile's affection. At CPP someone drew graffiti on the wall of an alien ejaculating on a ping pong table while he plays ping pong with a little boy. Then they wrote "Shut up and fuck" next to it. There's a bunch of sketchy shit like that.
Poot_McGarvey ago
I don't talk much about it publicly at the moment. I'm getting some heavy resistance when I bring it up.
So for now I'm playing the slow game for a while and trying to be strategic about this whole thing.
Protests can occasionally be kind of shitty without fair TV coverage. They try to paint you any way they like. They can turn the public against you unless you've really got your shit together. And even then, you have to worry about fucking paid instigators and other bull shit like that.
I'm not saying I wouldn't go to a protest ever... but I could see why people wouldn't go out of their way to go to protests, even if they are vocal on the web.
ArthurEdens ago
I mean there's a reason why they've gotten away with it for soooo long. People don't believe it, don't want to believe it, or believe it and don't want to or are too scared to do anything about it. This is definitely an uphill battle to Mount Everest.
kazza64 ago
i dont talk about it either because people who havent been red pilled just look at you blankly
DarkMath ago
"very few are showing up at protests and people are shouting at the protesters."
This is exactly what's supposed to happen. CPP was a psyop and a red herring. It worked perfectly by branding anyone who thought kids were getting abused as right wing bigoted fascists.
But a war is made up of many battles. They can win a battle but still lose the war. Pizzagate was the Deplorable Horde Army's Kasserine Pass..
The good news is after the baptism by fire at Kasserine Pass Patton proceeded to go through the Afrika Corp like shit through a goose.
2impendingdoom ago
thats what we are seeing here too. We are a few showing up and shills are paid to shout at us. I agree, it isn't right at all.
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remus_schmitt ago
This is simply how the battle is going to be. You're going to feel like you're pounding your head on a wall like we all do. Just keep researching and doing as much as you can to document as many pertinent questions and significant points as possible. Somewhere out there, there is somebody who can do far more than us. And I think deep down we're helping them. At least helped them to a certain point, but there's only so much we can do. Keep making connections and find the GOOD questions that need to be answered. And there are some **** good questions.
V____Z ago
Question: Why does hillarys pick for Secretary of State, John Podesta, consider children in a heated pool to be "entertainment"?
remus_schmitt ago
They're mostly east coast based. I'm in New York and I haven't been to one yet. Doesn't mean I don't believe in it any less.
May I ask you to elaborate on what doesn't feel right ?
carmencita ago
And yes, other inquiring minds want to know.