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Jobew1 ago

i'm with you, but how will the defense work? meaning, will some elite say that the CIA (or other similar org) planted the CP? obviously that won't work. if you're saying that the defense will be that some random (or Russian) hackers have the same ability that the CIA has, yeah i think that will be the story and this hypothetical "defense" has been brewing a while now since the story that the russians hacked the election. yes, these latest events - vault 7 leaked tools and the "fb killer"-- circumstantially strengthen the "i've been hacked defense" but not that much imo. so i think there may be more to the fb killer psyop

Scirel ago

It doesn't have to be the CIA, or "the Russians" that "planted" it - it could be a "random hacker," or a "business competitor," or a "political enemy," or whatever. It no longer matters.

My larger point is that it would behoove a lawyer to, in a court of law, PROVE that the capability to plant files on a computer even exists in the first place. That has always been the hurdle. This admission by the CIA/FBI now gives lawyers the capability to argue this point and offer a plausible alternate theory about how files ended up on their client's computer in order to surmount the "reasonable doubt" bar.

Now, for instance, if & when files are eventually discovered on Alefantis' server, he could use this defense, for instance.

Before, the FBI would drop a case before admitting that they had these tools (see the article I linked to in my previous post). But what changed? Cui bono?

Jobew1 ago

didn't the FBI drop the case you mention because they didn't want to explain how they obtained the evidence (not just that they had the tools?) I understand re the "random hacker". It will be interesting to see how this plays out -- interestingly if someone uses the defense, logically there would be pressure to catch the hacker because someone was in possession of CP -- almost would create the need for a patsy

ThePuppetShow ago

They didn't want to reveal their exploit for TOR. People still believe TOR is safe. The government created TOR so they can likely decrypt it. Would they really release a truly anonymous service for their enemies to use? I think not.

Jobew1 ago

gotcha

Scirel ago

Good points. I'm obviously conflating the "refusing to explain how they obtained the evidence" with "we have these tools to plant files." The article also talked about how the FBI actually ran Dark Web sites with malware-embedded CP on them in order to sting people, but methinks that since they were asked for ALL the source code, that disclosing the ability to covertly plant files was what they were really trying to protect. Trying to read between the lines a bit.

But now they have effectively declassified Vault 7, so I am thinking this FBI/CIA ranting has all been kayfabe, and this was the goal all along.

Thanks.

Jobew1 ago

Could well be regarding the "ability to plant files"... keep up the good work