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therealkrispy ago

I really don't think the Syrian attack is in step with the neocon mission. This was a warning shot, not a declaration of war. Assad will be forced to step down, Russia will leave Syria, or war will break out, and I think that's the message Trump is sending.

Of course, if we do go to war with Russia, then we'll know that you're right.

Ocelot ago

Yeah, this is a ridiculous knee jerk post. People want to either stick to Trump unwaveringly or are thirsting for him to be compromised and take this one action as proof. The resolve and the mindset of PGers and Trump supporters is brittle and uncertain. It's totally understandable that it is. But yet again this action has too many factors to just axe the Trump angle to our war. This was the most restrained way to sate the neocons' thirst for blood.

The way that the alt-right is reacting to this is disappointing to me. Of course none of us want more war in the Middle East. Of course we want out of Syria. Of course we want good relations with Russia. Trump has said as much as well. And one action that is questionable but not verifiably damning is not enough for everyone to start jumping ship.

There are just so many factors. I certainly don't know who to trust. But as I've been saying since the beginning, all of these "red flags" for Trump are too uncertain to fully condemn him. For example, if he is really warring with the Deep State, then it's reasonable to believe that he has to appease them every now and then while he continues to consolidate power. I know we're bloodthirsty and want the pedos exposed, but if Trump were truly aiming to do that, he'd likely put it off until the most opportune time. Knowing the person he seems to be, he couldn't in good conscience just release everything if he believes there's a way to accomplish it without plunging the nation into civil war.

I don't know, I'm sort of rambling here. But my basic point is that we just don't know yet, especially not from one very restrained military action.

therealkrispy ago

Agreed, we can't definitively say what happened and what the best course of action is because we don't know all the facts. I elected this guy because out of the two real choices, he's the one I thought would make sensible decisions when presented with all the data, and Aleppo would be a no fly zone by now under Hillary, which would start World War III. The tax plan, immigration plans, improvements in healthcare legislation and economic deregulation, plus what he wants to do for the VA, those all sound awesome, but primarily I wanted to keep liberal warhawks and their neocon friends away from the button, and I'm still solidly convinced that Trump is not a neocon.

Ocelot ago

I am glad a few people still think this. Probably more will come around as the dust settles. It's been rather disheartening seeing the widespread denouncement and cries of betrayal when we still aren't clear on the details, and what we do know seems like Trump made a hard decision but still doesn't want to change his Syria stances.

I read this on American Thinker:

Briefing reporters late Thursday night, Secretary of State Rex Tillerson said that the strike did not represent a "change in our policy or our posture in Syria," even though it marked the first time the US had decided to take military action against the Syrian government.

"There has been no change in that status," he said. "It does demonstrate that President Trump is willing to act when governments and actors cross the line ... and cross the line in the most heinous of ways."

Tillerson said the administration felt the strike was "proportional because it was targeted at the facility that delivered this most recent chemical attack."

This all seems pretty reasonable to me, EVEN IF the chemical attack was a false flag.

therealkrispy ago

Yup.