So, I've made several posts about this but they've been deleted because they were "too conversational", there weren't enough sources or something. This is obviously very relevant to the pizzagate research, which is now attacked, not only by the MSM but by the Alternative media as well. So, Paul Joseph Watson just came out saying that elite pedophilia has "nothing to do with pizzagate", and that "pizzagate has been debunked". Blatant lies, obviously, as the readers here know.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o1GQehNcZZw
This continues the pattern of this controlled opposition alternative media narrative, which has been pushed by Alex Jones and Mike Cernovich as well. Here Cernovich claims "his sources told him that pizzagate is a diversion":
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OxQd2Bitqic
Oh, really? Let's be clear here. If pizzagate is anything, it's organic. It's not contrived, but it was the natural response to the thousands of people looking in to the Podesta emails, the Comet Ping Pong owner and employees instagram accounts, the Comet Ping Pong posters and all the connections we've uncovered. Here's another "alternative media youtuber" Redsilverj speaking out against pizzagate.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ALIHRLkvKJs
This line "pizzagate is a diversion to make people not focus on proven elite pedophilia cases" is obviously moronic. Obviously people should be more concerned about non-convicted pedophiles on the loose, than already convicted cases. If anything is a distraction and a diversion, it's pointing people to these older cases: "oh, look how many elite pedophiles have been found guilty, this is proven unlike pizzagate". This is a diversion from pedophile rings on the loose. And, the main suspects, let's remember, are the Podesta brothers, the Clintons, Alefantis, but also the millionaire/billionaire Herb Sandler, Obama, Tamera Luzzatto and the others exposed by the investigation, Peter J Mattingly, can't name any others from the top of my head.
The main strategy of the enemy has been to try to define pizzagate as something that it's not: "a pedo ring is run out of the basement of Comet Ping Pong". Of course no one ever claimed this except them, they have been pushing this lie for months now, and people are starting to believe that's what pizzagate is.
http://www.snopes.com/pizzagate-conspiracy/
We of course know it's not that, and we shouldn't allow the enemy to frame and define this question, but keep on bringing back to the forefront the never debunked evidence we have on the suspects. Pizzagate is real, despite the controlled opposition alternative media trying to claim otherwise. They are repeating the false definition of pizzagate, given to the public by the lying MSM, John Podesta and Alefantis themselves.
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DarkMath ago
"This line "pizzagate is a diversion to make people not focus on proven elite pedophilia cases" is obviously moronic. "
I'm glad you brought this up. Replace "pizzagate" with "Comet Ping Pong and James Alefantis" and it's all good.
pavezi ago
Well.. would it really be ok? I mean, there's actually plenty of proof that Alefantis and his pizza place are involved in this pedo-ring. It's not just about that place, but still, that is pretty central to the whole of pizzagate, the vast amounts of instagram pics, the posters for rock concerts for kids in the middle of the night with pedophilia symbols etc. I mean, if Alefantis is brought down, the whole thing goes down, and the whole of pizzagate will unfold and be proven correct, so even that isn't a diversion in my opinion.
DarkMath ago
" that is pretty central to the whole of pizzagate,"
It was in the beginning but not now. Based on George Webb's reporting CPP and JA are tiny chips of ice off a massive iceberg of fraud.
pavezi ago
Yes it is the tip of the iceberg, but wouldn't you agree that someone who doesn't know anything about the whole thing, the emails and the Comet Ping Pong connections are the logical first step to start, in order for them to understand the investigation and how it unfolded and what pizzagate is in general?
DarkMath ago
"logical first step to start"
It wouldn't be a good place to start at the largest red-herring event in the history of the universe. I think George Webb is where people should start. There is plenty of reporting on child trafficking and other sordid details.
pavezi ago
Well, sure, George Webb is great, and a great place to start, he really shows the whole network of corruption and criminality around the Clinton foundation, but in regards to pizzagate, I'd say it's a bit off-topic. I mean if someone asks you, "what is pizzagate", would you start talking about Libya and Benghazi and the Muslim brotherhood and all that stuff? No, obviously you'd start with the emails and the comet ping pong connections.. if we're talking about pizzagate that is. But sure, there's all sorts of other things to talk about as well, the whole context, 9/11, etc. so it doesn't really matter where you start, as long as you don't claim that Alefantis and Comet Ping Pong are innocent in this whole thing.
DarkMath ago
"you'd start with the emails"
Me personally I'd start with Clinton Cash. That puts everything in perspective. If someone watches Clinton Cash with an open mind it's very apparent the U.S. is run by the Bush and Clinton Crime Families. The U.S.A. we thought we lived in is dead.
Only then would I go to CPP and JA but only briefly for context, maybe even show CPP as a red-herring and then explaining people only use red-herrings if they're covering something up. You don't see random people walking in the woods with a bloody fish carcass just for fun.
pavezi ago
I really don't think it's a red herring honestly. There was this massive scandal, genuine grassroots people were genuinely outraged and rightly so when they saw what was going on at Comet Ping Pong and with Alefantis. I think this excessive focus on this aspect, and obviously it's excessive in comparison to all the other crimes you mention, is not because of the culprits, but because of the nature of internet and the open source investigation... Like I said in my original post they're using the strawman argument, that the pedo-ring is run from the pizza parlor. So this is a strawman, and a red herring, but it's not what anyone claimed.. Also I want to emphasise Alefantis and CPP because it's so blatant, and so in-your face part of the whole thing with the instagrams and the posters and all that stuff. But sure, everything is relative and people can come at this ring from different angles. But really, to do what the alternative media is now doing, giving up on Alefantis and the Podestas is giving up on pizzagate, which really is something unique because it was so organic and natural reaction by the people... the massive censorship and demonisation of pizzagate I think shows that it's a fight the elite can't afford to lose, because if this one domino goes down, everything goes down. That's just how I see it, but of course there's a whole world of criminality and corruption outside of pizzagate and we can focus on anything and everything and should..
DarkMath ago
"I really don't think it's a red herring honestly."
Trust me CPP was a red-herring. It was pure genius. It was put there to distract from the Clinton Foundation where all the really juicy fraud resides.
Mad_As_Hell ago
"Put there" by who, Assange? Between Wikileaks e-mails, Instagram, weird websites etc., the circumstantial evidence is too elaborate for your claim to make any sense. Those e-mails have been verified, the evidence against CPP is real.
DarkMath ago
""Put there" by who"
The powers that be. Could have been anyone in the Deep State. If I had to guess I'd say the CIA set that whole block up to look like pedophilia child trafficking central.
They're infamous for putting out exactly this type of disinformation to "deweaponize" certain language.