Way to make v/pizzagate into a total joke. Look, Alex can walk away from and lie about pizzagate and what we've uncovered regarding Comet and all the rest, but he can't simultaneously enjoy respect from pizzagaters. It's one or the other. Since he has decided to cover pedogate instead, please submit Alex Jones related stuff to v/pedogate as it doesn't belong here.
Look, man, I've seen you around a lot. You've made a lot of good points, contributed a ton here, and I think you should be respected by the community.
With that being said, and I wouldn't say this without saying the aforementioned, we can't divide people on our own side.
I get it, AJ dismissed a lot of the work people here put in, and we should be frustrated that he'd seemingly been with us up until the whole CPP apology show. I understand that frustration, and people here are entitled to it.
What we can't do, however, is compartmentalize people who are apart of this movement.
Frankly, I know saying something like this to another typical member of the community would get blown off pretty easily. I'm hoping though, that people would respect the both of us enough (or at least you) to head this warning:
It's so god damn important that we don't fall victim to the divide and conquer tactic. It is being used here.
I do want to divide disinfo agents from this investigation. I've always seen Alex as one, and he continually proves me right. With regard to pizzagate, he should not be listened to. He has already proven that with his false claims about James Alefantis. @kestrel9 said ti well here:
Alex Jones is an entertainer in many if not most respects. He made bank on PG when he cried out in tears for the babies that he implied or (even may have said) Hillary was sacrificing in the basement of CPP. So while he gave the topic of the Podesta hacked emails exposure, he also created a narrative the MSM could effortlessly use to dismiss the whole thing without scaring the sheeple. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1769858/8675752
I'm not sure that argument can carry much weight, though. Think about how Trump got elected: it was because of his eccentric and abrasive personality that he developed such a following. The parallel between the two arises when we examine the ways in which they got to where they are currently: both utilized a very impressionable marketing style which helped them not only develop the following, but attain their position (Trump is president, AJ is king of alt media /s).
Don't use his eccentric act to take away from his argument - you and people like you took the bait the MSM certainly set up. It seems he realized that, maybe he realized it too late, maybe not, but he realized that.
Now, I'm not saying that the CPP leads hold no water, as that is damn far from the truth. I've definitely looked at a lot of stuff associated with JA and other entities around him, and firmly believe he is far beyond just suspicious. With that being said however, you don't fumble around taking out all the pawns if the queen's exposed. You catch my drift?
At a certain point, they'll look at the people more focused on CPP, mesh that together with #pizzagate, then they'll look at people like AJ, Cernovich, RDS, etc. and they'll associate them with #pedogate. At this point, they'll look on at you and those like you thinking that because you've associated yourself with pizzagate, you aren't relevant in the pedogate case, even despite your affiliation with the process and investigation as a whole. You have to understand that the compartmentalization is where you fall off. When I say we can't let them divide us (no I'm not shia), we can't say things like, "this one person, despite whatever contributions they made to the investigation as a whole, is now a jackass because of X semantics bullshit reason." That' won't fly; it can't fly. We can't nitpick at big contributors. They can't always be right about everything all the time, and for any one of us to ever have thought AJ or anyone like him walks on water would be quite a disgrace.
I get why you're saying this, but the language you're using is alarming me, and I hate sitting by watching people fall prey to such petty and devious tricks.
Oh, and as for the comment you linked to, I completely agree and think that's a very valid point. However, I don't think that harms my argument in any fashion.
Yeah, we're not on the same page at all. I appreciate your time, but I don't have the energy for his conversation. I have always seen Alex Jones as a snake and very dangerous, and am very disheartened that he's trying to control our conversation around pizzagate ( on behalf of James A, I might add ).
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V____Z ago
Way to make v/pizzagate into a total joke. Look, Alex can walk away from and lie about pizzagate and what we've uncovered regarding Comet and all the rest, but he can't simultaneously enjoy respect from pizzagaters. It's one or the other. Since he has decided to cover pedogate instead, please submit Alex Jones related stuff to v/pedogate as it doesn't belong here.
NotHereForPizza ago
Look, man, I've seen you around a lot. You've made a lot of good points, contributed a ton here, and I think you should be respected by the community.
With that being said, and I wouldn't say this without saying the aforementioned, we can't divide people on our own side.
I get it, AJ dismissed a lot of the work people here put in, and we should be frustrated that he'd seemingly been with us up until the whole CPP apology show. I understand that frustration, and people here are entitled to it.
What we can't do, however, is compartmentalize people who are apart of this movement.
Frankly, I know saying something like this to another typical member of the community would get blown off pretty easily. I'm hoping though, that people would respect the both of us enough (or at least you) to head this warning:
It's so god damn important that we don't fall victim to the divide and conquer tactic. It is being used here.
V____Z ago
I do want to divide disinfo agents from this investigation. I've always seen Alex as one, and he continually proves me right. With regard to pizzagate, he should not be listened to. He has already proven that with his false claims about James Alefantis. @kestrel9 said ti well here:
NotHereForPizza ago
I'm not sure that argument can carry much weight, though. Think about how Trump got elected: it was because of his eccentric and abrasive personality that he developed such a following. The parallel between the two arises when we examine the ways in which they got to where they are currently: both utilized a very impressionable marketing style which helped them not only develop the following, but attain their position (Trump is president, AJ is king of alt media /s).
Don't use his eccentric act to take away from his argument - you and people like you took the bait the MSM certainly set up. It seems he realized that, maybe he realized it too late, maybe not, but he realized that.
Now, I'm not saying that the CPP leads hold no water, as that is damn far from the truth. I've definitely looked at a lot of stuff associated with JA and other entities around him, and firmly believe he is far beyond just suspicious. With that being said however, you don't fumble around taking out all the pawns if the queen's exposed. You catch my drift?
At a certain point, they'll look at the people more focused on CPP, mesh that together with #pizzagate, then they'll look at people like AJ, Cernovich, RDS, etc. and they'll associate them with #pedogate. At this point, they'll look on at you and those like you thinking that because you've associated yourself with pizzagate, you aren't relevant in the pedogate case, even despite your affiliation with the process and investigation as a whole. You have to understand that the compartmentalization is where you fall off. When I say we can't let them divide us (no I'm not shia), we can't say things like, "this one person, despite whatever contributions they made to the investigation as a whole, is now a jackass because of X semantics bullshit reason." That' won't fly; it can't fly. We can't nitpick at big contributors. They can't always be right about everything all the time, and for any one of us to ever have thought AJ or anyone like him walks on water would be quite a disgrace.
I get why you're saying this, but the language you're using is alarming me, and I hate sitting by watching people fall prey to such petty and devious tricks.
Oh, and as for the comment you linked to, I completely agree and think that's a very valid point. However, I don't think that harms my argument in any fashion.
V____Z ago
Yeah, we're not on the same page at all. I appreciate your time, but I don't have the energy for his conversation. I have always seen Alex Jones as a snake and very dangerous, and am very disheartened that he's trying to control our conversation around pizzagate ( on behalf of James A, I might add ).