Mike Cernovich on the Alex Jones show. He says he had to break something big, like the Susan Rice story, in order to be able to break this pedo-ring story. Then he says.:
"There's two layers to this....I actually heard from the source, he told me that pizzagate was a distraction, and it was actually a false flag, a psychological operation run by deep state to get people focusing away from [unclear words] [Alex interrupts]..." https://youtu.be/n0N1K0ghNTI?t=18m22s
[Commentary: Knowingly or unknowingly, are they both being used by the deep state? I'm hearing limited hangout information, nothing new, much of it jumbled, interruptions by Alex to brag, and say stuff like "We're gonna run them over. Can you smell the blood, brother?"
Is the deep state leaking stuff to Cernovich that they want leaked? Who's to say it's not distraction and a psyop to get people focusing away from our pizzagate evidence? If our pizzagate investigation was actually a false flag by the powers-that- be, why did the powers-that-be go to such epic lengths to quiet us? We've NEVER seen them try to silence anything to the extent they've tried to silence us. They don't try to silence Alex Jones - they put him on blast when he denounced us. So who do you trust?]
FBI whistleblower Sibel Edmonds reveals pedophilia is used to blackmail politicians: https://youtu.be/q1LmN5zVlr8?t=17s
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rwb ago
Yesterday you were a big supporter of Cernovich. Does this mean you've changed your mind?
V____Z ago
My friend, the truth is not found in dichotmies - it is found in the shades of grey. Let's keep our eyes open, as others here are saying. There are no heroes, nor is everything Alex ever touched demonized by association. I told you this yesterday, please stop harassing me and just focus on the content of the arguments and info.
I was never a supporter of Cernovich, i'm just announcing pertinent pizzagate related information.
rwb ago
Your objective to this point at VOAT with respect to Jones has been to prove he is working for the CIA to cover up child sex slavery, and the claim is an abomination and demonstrably incorrect. The truth is, for some twenty-two years, Jones has committed unprecedented hours of terrestrial radio broadcasting time to telling the story of satanic child sex slavery, and he has had virtually every important researcher on as a guest to help further the cause, whether it's Gunderson, Passio, Icke, Edmonds, etc. Jones is a hero for doing this. Further, Jones went at the PG story very strongly until IW reporter was hoodwinked by a fake menu with maimed children for sale, at which point he was forced to make a change. Why would he go at the story in the first place if his sole job was to cover for it? Maybe because the simplest explanation is the correct one, namely that he fell for a trap, and had no alternative.
If you call challenging your propaganda war against Jones harassment, you do not understand what you are doing. I am a sporting fellow. Back off on the attacks under the advice of a fellow Christian who knows more about Jones's heart than you do, and I'll stop confronting you at every turn. Let him work any angle of child sex slavery he can for the time being unmolested by you.
V____Z ago
You're wrong about Jones, and you refuse to look at the evidence. My thoughts about him are mirrored by many others. They are not personal, they are in keeping with my goal to help this investigation and the children.
rwb ago
You're wrong when you think you're a Christian at heart. You and I had a lengthy private conversation at my initiative about the savage attacks on David Seaman. You told me you know Seaman better than 99% of the people posting things about him, having followed him on Twitter for many years prior. You said it was all lies and fabrication. I believed David, and I trusted your confirmation.
Now I am telling you that I know Jones better than 99% of the people viciously attacking him, including you, and you can't extend a modicum of consideration that I have studied all of the (mis)information you cite over and over again, and much of it is fabricated, embellished, and groomed for purpose in exactly the same way all of the information about DS was fabricated, embellished, and groomed for purpose. You extend no remotely similar courtesy to me as I extended to you. You're a hypocrite of an extraordinary kind.
V____Z ago
I showed you how just a few days ago Alex went on a "Goddamn you fuckers" rant, linked you to it, and you ignored it, claiming to have a handle on what is Christian and what isn't.
My assessment of AJ is not personal against him, nor you, but your attacks on my character, even bringing religion into it, are personal and i'm asking you to refocus, and stop. Your breathless defense of Alex Jones is becoming a distraction to this sub, in my opinion. You're not going to change my mind, not by attacking me, nor by claiming to be an authority on the subject. I've been watching him from afar for a long time, and have seen nothing to get me to trust or like him. and please review the comments on this post - 90% of them agree with me about Alex so it's silly to pretend the problem is me.
rwb ago
How many times do you think I have to prove you're a manipulator of the truth and a hypocrite before external observers accept that there is something to what I say. You say I ignored the rant you linked to, yet here it is with my direct response to the video some 17 hours ago: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1767181/8657133/10#8657133
You don't even have the integrity or common sense to validate your own claims before launching another salvo, and this shows you're unreliable.
Regardless, to recapitulate, the video of Jones swearing (oh my!) is highly edited and thus removes all context for what prompted the outburst. Frankly, it's mild under the circumstances. If the Good Lord is only letting in those who have never cursed, there's going to be very few people in heaven. How about you? Have you ever said anything like that? Do I really have to post your comments that contain some nasty language like that used by Jones in the video you cite in order to put your hypocrisy on display yet again?
You might have a very small majority of similarly minded folk on your side in this thread, but not remotely on the whole. There have been many favorable Jones threads at VOAT. Votes to my (Jones's favor) were 19 to 4 here: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1754846/8595738/10#8595738 That is the nature of VOAT. Opinions congregate in clumps. Claiming you have numbers on your side of this argument based on a few up or down votes in one thread is ridiculous.
My defense of Jones is not breathless, it's measured, and in fair accord with which you execute your malicious attacks. I am not trying to change your mind. I am trying to get you to recognize that Jones has followers for a reason, and one of those reasons is because he has been very effective at waking people up to the reality of child sex slavery. Let the man do whatever he can do at this time.
20Justice4All17 ago
Do you have any insight into Cernovich given his ties to Dershowitz and that Epstein rape case?
rwb ago
No, but I like Dershowitz the way I like stepping on a rusty nail. The world is a complicated place. Cernovich is saying good things, so I don't see why they can't be taken at face value right now.
20Justice4All17 ago
Understood. So I have my questions about AJ and Cernovich but as you point out they are going after the Pedos. Imho if they are not on the good side then neither is Trump and there is really no hope at Justice. I think that's why their veracity is such a loaded topic. Thanks.
rwb ago
It's worth keeping in mind that anyone who commits ten thousand hours of information to a recorded medium is absolutely ripe for manipulation. That's what makes Jones an easy target. People are able to extract and compile mistakes and things that were said in the heat of the moment, and aggregate them to form the worst possible picture. But this is called propaganda, and anyone interested in the truth before all else has to be on guard for it. I'll tell a quick anecdote to make a point.
Not long ago, I was defending Jones against another person. They claimed Jones is no Christian, and they produced a video that was to prove it. It was ten minutes long, and I believe in hearing out the other side, so I started to watch. The video opens with a sleuth who in a few moments is going to prove Jones is no Christian, but before doing so, he says wonderful things about Kent Hovind, a preacher who unjustly spent time in federal prison, and then asks me to support him. However 20Justice4All17, there was a problem. I already knew who Kent Hovind was, because Jones had already talked about Hovind's incredible plight probably twenty times on air, and even did an on air interview with Hovind from behind bars.
There is incredible irony in someone producing a propaganda video that is going to convince me that Jones is a wicked atheist when the narrator asks me to support the very same preacher Jones already poured his heart and soul into helping in any way he could. It actually brings tears to my eyes to know that for all of Jones's faults, on the whole, he does much more good, especially in telling the story of the worst crimes against children, and that's why I defend him ferociously, warts and all.
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1758830/8620755/10#8620755
20Justice4All17 ago
I have not followed Jones as closely as you have, but I remember people saying he was controlled by Time Warner because in his early years his public access station was owned by them. That was ridiculous. My uninformed take is that AJ is a true outsider fighting corrupt authority. This is what makes him an easy target. Over time, he has been proven mostly correct, and with the election of Trump, he is slowly being brought to this new inside (i.e. Trumps side). I don't like him backing of CPP, but he is making up for it by going along with Cernovich and Sawyer against the pedosatanists. I wish him nothing but good will and I continue to watch his videos for information.
With that said, i personally know people real heavy into him that were hurt so bad by him backing of CPP that they have now sworn him off. I don't think that's a good idea, but eventually all the truth needs to come out about CPP in order to clear everything up with AJ for a lot of people (myself not included).
rwb ago
One thing should be obvious. He did not back off Alefantis/CPP because he's working for the CIA. That's what V___Z and others would like you to believe. It's preposterous. I hate Occam's razor because it is so overused and misused, but this is a classic situation where it applies.
Initially, Jones was on top of Alefantis/CPP angle and said on air multiple times how the codespeak in the JP emails and all the creepy artwork and Instagram pictures indicated something very bad. Then, one of Jones's reporters fell for a fabricated and planted piece of evidence in the form of a CPP child sex torture menu, and took to Twitter with it under the IW banner, making Jones culpable. I believe this was a setup by Alefantis and Co. to get tangible evidence of defamation against Jones. All the skeptics asked why threaten to sue Jones not DS and all the other PG reporters who were saying even worse things, and they cited the lack of lawsuit threats as evidence Jones fabricated the story of being threatened by JA. But the reason why others were not bothered with should also be obvious. I've discussed this at length at VOAT prior. Jones and IW offered the biggest bang for the buck. Get a retraction from Jones and the PG investigation will be hampered, especially from a public opinion perspective. Get a retraction from Jones as a proxy for all PG investigators at any cost, and they would have their centerpiece story to run with in the MSM. And it worked brilliantly. You don't get named the 49th most powerful man in Washington by being stupid. The simplest theory is he backed off because they had evidence of libel against him that they had against no one else, and they knew they would drag Jones into the den of the enemy, a D.C. courtroom, probably run by a virtual associate of Alefantis and Co. and bury Jones in litigation, and Jones knew this. Of course they got what they were most hoping for.
If it sounds implausible, think how implausible it was that Podesta would fall for a phishing scheme which would lead to email leaks. The world's a crazy place. For the record, I am a realist. Jones supporters and detractors are so polarized at this point, nothing is going to change anyone's mind. I counter the attacks when I see them out of a moral duty to myself and no one else. I know the real world impact is negligible.
20Justice4All17 ago
It is terrible to hear this. How badly has this hurt our efforts? Makes me even more angry. Can we recover from this? Man, these guys are so evil and sneaky.