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V____Z ago

Voat: "Source with good track record says pedo rings will be outed"

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Okaaaaaaaay

Mrs_Ogynist01 ago

Because he doesn't have a good record. His relationship with Alan Dershowitz makes him very suspect.

V____Z ago

Suspicion vs reality of solid intel? I'm finding it hard to feel cynical here. He has a gargantuan ego, and prides himself on being right, so I don't see him lying about this. Perhaps top lawyers just happen to bump into each other, and it's no big deal. I mean, I've seen pictures of Trump lounging with, accepting a lap dance from, and admitting to wanting to date (with caveat), his young daughter. But we all kind of give him a break because we are desperate and need to have a little hope. When Cernovich has done something demonstrably bad with regard to pedophilia, something worse than being friends with someone who represented someone... then I will reconsider. I'm not saying he's a good guy. But Assange isn't either, and he was used to leak certain information that has helped us. So we might have to take what we get.

V____Z ago

Homework, oh no! If there is something proving Mike lies or doesn't keep his word, I'd be interested in a synopsis.

Mrs_Ogynist01 ago

It shows that he colluded with accused pedo Alan Dershowitz to unseal docs to get names of underaged victims. But, really, if you don't want to take the time to read this legal document filed by Virginia Robert's lawyer exposing Cernovich, then it proves to me you are not interested in the truth. Also, please notice my account is 2 months older than yours, so I'm not someone just trying to discredit him for the hell of it. I had never heard of the guy a few months ago. This is SUPPOSE to be about helping the victims of child abuse - remember.

Forgetmenot ago

Unsealing documents mean the case moves forward. Also holds the judge accountable. Its a good thing and helps the victim get justice.

Mrs_Ogynist01 ago

Then why on earth would the victim & her attorneys be so against it...

Forgetmenot ago

She may be in fear or not want info publicly exposed. I can not speak for the victims motives. However when a case is filed "sealed." It is typically shelved by the judge and motions do not get filed and nothing is scheduled. The other victims may want it unsealed. Epstein may even want to talk and expose co conspirators but right now the case is sealed and the judge can do anything or nothing and you would never know it. These legal matters can be complex and motives are hard to guess. A sealed case is a frozen case and nothing can happen. Just because the victim wants it sealed does not mean it is the best interest of the victim. Many domestic violence victims are afraid to proceed as well. I say unseal it, sunlight is the best disinfectant!

Mrs_Ogynist01 ago

It was to protect underaged victims. Plus he was working with Alan Dershowitz, which Virginia Roberts claimed was made to have sex with.

Forgetmenot ago

Well then he would not want this case unsealed. He would want it sealed and frozen as long as possible. Also sealing a case does not protect underage victims, I suggest you lurk some more. Children have been abused and have not been able to gain justice because these family courts operate in secret allowing our most vulnerable to have no justice and no voice. These secret courts are dangerous and have protected abusers of children. Reform is clearly needed. The Epstein case should not be sealed it is only protecting the identities of the abusers and keeping the victim isolated from cooperating together with other victims to gain justice. You clearly know very little about how courts proceed. To say what you say. Victims need to face their accused in order to heal. I think there are other victims out there , this case needs to be public so they have safety in numbers. Like I said as long as a case is sealed nothing moves forward. the guilty want it sealed, with proceedings in secret. My guess and it is only a guess, is epstein wants to name co conspirators. sealing the evidence keeps the case on lock down and it does not move forward. For it to move forward you need to unseal it. To put it on the docket it needs to be unsealed. Just because cenobich and dershowitz both want the same action does not mean they are on the same team. Epstein benefits by being able to include other conspirators, and even misdirect some blame off himself. This is a typical technique the defense does to create reasonable doubt.

Now cernovich may be trying to implicate more elites, or include additional victims, or file a class action law suit or expose the truth to the American public. You seem very attached to smear cernovich's reputation, Rumors and inuendo are the tools of the MSM, CTR, shills, CIA. So try not to jump to conclusions without facts. Everything in darkness eventually comes to light.

Forgetmenot ago

I did in the past and just now since you linked it. This is what jumps out at me: 1. They start with a character assasination: their argument can be summed up as: The case should not be unsealed to the public because cernovitch is a bad man who does not believe in date rape. He also has said mean things about fat women. He is freinds with Dershowitz and admires him. This seems to be the gist of their reasoning as to why the public should not be made aware of the evidence in the case. 2. This is a brief that the attorneys for the victim have filed in the court as a rebuttal to cernovitch filing to have the case unsealed. 3. It does not contain any of cernovitchs intentions. although it does state that he wants the evidence for journalistic purposes. 4. I found thei charectar assasination on cernovich a weak justification for keeping the evidence sealed. It definitely was included for shock value but did not seem to support the argument that the case should be sealed and evidence hidden from public accountability. A cheap shot really.

I look forward to hearing all sides of this issue. There seems to 4 points of view: the victim, Epstein, cernovitch, and the public. So far we have only heard from the victims point of view. I find it interesting that no mention is made of the value to the public to release the evidence. When bill cosby was exposed for date rape many victims were able to come forward because they realized they had experienced similar abuses. A pattern was established. I find it very odd that the victim wants the case sealed. There is a value to the public to unseal the case, in that there might be more victims that need to come forward, and / or more abusers can be charged. However cernovichs view on date rape really seem unrelated to me. The other thought that comes to mind remember that attorneys file motions all the time to delay and buy time. The motion might be meaningless and nothing but a waste of time. Try not to read too much into these motions, since this can be a delay tactic to keep this case collecting dust while all the abusers go about their lives. This is why unsealing the case is so important. I also wonder is the victim simply looking To settle? Her attorneys might simply not want to try the case in court. Settling brings rewards much quicker than going to court. Trying a case in court is expensive and takes years. This too happens all the time. But again this case is very important to the public and should not be swept under the carpet. Just my 2 cents.

Mrs_Ogynist01 ago

What jumps out at me, is you siding against a victim. Period.

Forgetmenot ago

I am absolutely not siding against a victim. The victim might want to settle to move on with her life. That is human and to be understood. courts are grueling and cruel to victims. Be careful of the assumptions you make. Now you are accusing me, lol! I have been a victim and have served as victim advocate myself. You clearly make assumptions with zero information. So let me see if I understand your train of thought: you can make conclusions about cernovitchs motives but not the victims motive? Then You make assumptions about my motives when you know nothing about me? You seem to ignore logic and facts to push an accusatory narrative. What sort of agenda and personal vendetta do you have? My goal is the truth no more no less. The fact is a sealed case is a dead case and will never go anywhere and the abusers and the victims will never get justice. This victim may want restitution for her suffering but there is a legit public interest in her story and there is a genuine concern that there are additional victims and abusers in multiple jurisdictions not sure what part you don't understand. What side are you on? You seem to be on The side that suppresses the truth and keeps victims in the shadows and the abusers avoiding justice? If the victim wants a quick settlement and her attorneys don't want to front the expense of a court trial nor the delays of adding new victims and abusers. That is a choice people make everyday. That is the legal system. I hope I am wrong about you, but your lack of logic and accusations are suspect. You seem to be part of a public relations ploy, or as some would say: shill.

Mrs_Ogynist01 ago

OK