This will probably be buried in comments, but wtf. I thought I would interject a few observations about the relationship between v/pizzagate and Voat at large, and give some insight about why this stuff keeps happening. We are largely an anomaly. Most subs don't have a serious focus. Most subs don't have serious or complex submission guidelines. Most subs don't have an organized outside group expending large sums of money on teams of shills and lawyers to silence them. Most subs are here for fun -- free of PC censors.
A lot of "old goats" as the first generation of Voat users are known, resent the crap out of us. They see us as a threat to Voat and its culture ("Reddit Cancer" is what it's called, shorthand for using moderation to create safespaces that limit unfettered speech). Some of the trolls we get are actually other Voaters who make alts and come in here to shitpost. And, thanks to whom we are investigating and what, and their power to shut down companies and platforms that allow discussion of Pizzagate, we are an actual threat to Voat. Unfortunately, there is very little communication between key Voat stakeholders and v/pizzagate mods -- mostly it happens when we piss off the natives by deleting comments or committing other Voat no-nos.
We don't get prior notice of pranks like this UI change or function changes like the Search bar removal. I highly doubt they have a clue how this affects people in this sub. In fact, we were razzed for this sticky.
So, there's your insight of the day into the larger relationship between v/pizzagate and the rest of Voat. :-) To keep this all in perspective, if it weren't for their anti-censorship pissedness, we would not have this forum at all, and that's no April Fool. Cheers!
Just confirms that Voat is not a good fit for this forum for many reasons including many more serious ones not listed above. For one thing, it is much too harsh a culture for SRA, MK Ultra or any other survivors to feel comfortable for long here, and outspoken victims is one of the most important things that may be able to provide EVIDENCE of pizzagate activities.
As I have said since the begining, the total free speech aims of Voat does not work well with this controversial topic that attracts shill trolls like no other current forum topic anywhere. It is what it is, and the fact that the very platform this investigation is housed in is quite hostile to us creates an atmosphere not unlike a disfunctional family, with an ongoing undertone of abuse.
LIke a beaten up child, until the crowd here has the willpower to move themselves somewhere else, it is not going to get any better. Of course many have long left, and the forum has nowhere near the verve and dynamism it had a half-life ago.
It's interesting but unsurprising, VieBleu, that you interpreted my observations as characterizing Voat goats as "hostile" and "abusive". I never said any such thing. I said they resent the pro-censorship expectation that mods create safespaces. And based on your comment, they are absolutely right to do so.
Honestly, who serves survivors of sexual predators better: those who give them an uncensored forum and recognize they are among the toughest and most resilient of folk? Or those who pander and whine about them being beaten up, characterize them as weak, helpless children, trapped in a dying subverse?
We've added 3,000 subscribers in the last couple of weeks, VieBleu. Your comment isn't just poisonous, it's wrong. It does nothing to build up this community.
The amount of trolls this place attracts on a regular basis serves to justify your obnoxious toxic propaganda. You won't know it of course, because troll mods deleted it, but I brought more honest truth warriors, honest subscribers, here in 48 hours when this place flung it's fake doors open, than you people have ever managed to attract in the same amount of time. 500 or more when "smart" people believed in this magic carpet bad trip. Your vile ooze only seduces people to stay here just a little longer for the wrong reasons - they believe this place will do them any good. It doesn't last long, and neither will your obnoxious jezebel ride on the pricks that make this place run. Enjoy it while you can cause the downside isn't going to continue to make you look so pretty.
Don't every forget, that by participating in the bambooazaling of the people that believe in this place, which is dwindling, you have hexxxxed yourself. No doubt about it. Just don't forget to look over your shoulder. Your soul will right itself, and based on what you have done as a deceiver, you are not going to be comfortable with it.
At All.
EDIT: I am not interested in another go-go round with the traitor Vindicator, who is only one symptom of the problem here. In fact I was in agreement with her comment as I felt it was refreshingly honest (even though a rationalization) about at least one portion of hostility users of this forum face continuously. Thus I'm replying here to her comment below
"and yet, you are still here. Spewing vitriol."
My simple answer to that is that I leave my criticisms here for other readers and researchers who may read through, so that they know more about what goes on here amoungst the mods, and to keep a record of it. I have never had another name here and never deleted a comment. If you read my comment history back all the way to soon after I joined, you can find a lot out about why this site is only half-functional to downright disfunctional (see the period of the week of protests March 18-25) with no good justification. It is a fact that in many ways, top down decisions are made about how this site operates that work decidedly agaist the interests of a positive forward moving collaboration of interested citizens.
In conversations with other dedicated activists, it is decided that part of the research of this entire subject includes a record of the history here at Voat, especially in light of how Reddit completely failed its users and betrayed them.
I will continue to comment and criticize on this forum when appropriate as a part of my contribution to this effort; to keep putting the voice of the users of this site out there; to correct or add to the record as necessary.
Thanks for explaining what I've been seeing but not fully comprehending. As far as free speech goes, just because you can, doesn't mean you should. That being said, I'm glad I can express myself as I want and unfortunately that extends to losers here too.
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Vindicator ago
Hey there people,
This will probably be buried in comments, but wtf. I thought I would interject a few observations about the relationship between v/pizzagate and Voat at large, and give some insight about why this stuff keeps happening. We are largely an anomaly. Most subs don't have a serious focus. Most subs don't have serious or complex submission guidelines. Most subs don't have an organized outside group expending large sums of money on teams of shills and lawyers to silence them. Most subs are here for fun -- free of PC censors.
A lot of "old goats" as the first generation of Voat users are known, resent the crap out of us. They see us as a threat to Voat and its culture ("Reddit Cancer" is what it's called, shorthand for using moderation to create safespaces that limit unfettered speech). Some of the trolls we get are actually other Voaters who make alts and come in here to shitpost. And, thanks to whom we are investigating and what, and their power to shut down companies and platforms that allow discussion of Pizzagate, we are an actual threat to Voat. Unfortunately, there is very little communication between key Voat stakeholders and v/pizzagate mods -- mostly it happens when we piss off the natives by deleting comments or committing other Voat no-nos.
We don't get prior notice of pranks like this UI change or function changes like the Search bar removal. I highly doubt they have a clue how this affects people in this sub. In fact, we were razzed for this sticky.
So, there's your insight of the day into the larger relationship between v/pizzagate and the rest of Voat. :-) To keep this all in perspective, if it weren't for their anti-censorship pissedness, we would not have this forum at all, and that's no April Fool. Cheers!
wecanhelp ago
Excellent outside-the-box explanation.
VieBleu ago
Just confirms that Voat is not a good fit for this forum for many reasons including many more serious ones not listed above. For one thing, it is much too harsh a culture for SRA, MK Ultra or any other survivors to feel comfortable for long here, and outspoken victims is one of the most important things that may be able to provide EVIDENCE of pizzagate activities.
As I have said since the begining, the total free speech aims of Voat does not work well with this controversial topic that attracts shill trolls like no other current forum topic anywhere. It is what it is, and the fact that the very platform this investigation is housed in is quite hostile to us creates an atmosphere not unlike a disfunctional family, with an ongoing undertone of abuse.
LIke a beaten up child, until the crowd here has the willpower to move themselves somewhere else, it is not going to get any better. Of course many have long left, and the forum has nowhere near the verve and dynamism it had a half-life ago.
Vindicator ago
It's interesting but unsurprising, VieBleu, that you interpreted my observations as characterizing Voat goats as "hostile" and "abusive". I never said any such thing. I said they resent the pro-censorship expectation that mods create safespaces. And based on your comment, they are absolutely right to do so.
Honestly, who serves survivors of sexual predators better: those who give them an uncensored forum and recognize they are among the toughest and most resilient of folk? Or those who pander and whine about them being beaten up, characterize them as weak, helpless children, trapped in a dying subverse?
We've added 3,000 subscribers in the last couple of weeks, VieBleu. Your comment isn't just poisonous, it's wrong. It does nothing to build up this community.
VieBleu ago
Your history speaks for itself.
The amount of trolls this place attracts on a regular basis serves to justify your obnoxious toxic propaganda. You won't know it of course, because troll mods deleted it, but I brought more honest truth warriors, honest subscribers, here in 48 hours when this place flung it's fake doors open, than you people have ever managed to attract in the same amount of time. 500 or more when "smart" people believed in this magic carpet bad trip. Your vile ooze only seduces people to stay here just a little longer for the wrong reasons - they believe this place will do them any good. It doesn't last long, and neither will your obnoxious jezebel ride on the pricks that make this place run. Enjoy it while you can cause the downside isn't going to continue to make you look so pretty.
Don't every forget, that by participating in the bambooazaling of the people that believe in this place, which is dwindling, you have hexxxxed yourself. No doubt about it. Just don't forget to look over your shoulder. Your soul will right itself, and based on what you have done as a deceiver, you are not going to be comfortable with it.
At All.
EDIT: I am not interested in another go-go round with the traitor Vindicator, who is only one symptom of the problem here. In fact I was in agreement with her comment as I felt it was refreshingly honest (even though a rationalization) about at least one portion of hostility users of this forum face continuously. Thus I'm replying here to her comment below
My simple answer to that is that I leave my criticisms here for other readers and researchers who may read through, so that they know more about what goes on here amoungst the mods, and to keep a record of it. I have never had another name here and never deleted a comment. If you read my comment history back all the way to soon after I joined, you can find a lot out about why this site is only half-functional to downright disfunctional (see the period of the week of protests March 18-25) with no good justification. It is a fact that in many ways, top down decisions are made about how this site operates that work decidedly agaist the interests of a positive forward moving collaboration of interested citizens.
In conversations with other dedicated activists, it is decided that part of the research of this entire subject includes a record of the history here at Voat, especially in light of how Reddit completely failed its users and betrayed them.
I will continue to comment and criticize on this forum when appropriate as a part of my contribution to this effort; to keep putting the voice of the users of this site out there; to correct or add to the record as necessary.
Fobiet ago
Is there a better place to research than here? PM please... I followed the crowd over from reddit and the stuff coming out early was good
VieBleu ago
I'm sorry to say, I have no options to offer you.
Vindicator ago
Hmmm...and yet, you are still here. Spewing vitriol.
VieBleu, I recommend 5htp and a good night's sleep.
druhill007 ago
Thanks for that V 👏
goingtodisappear ago
Thanks for explaining what I've been seeing but not fully comprehending. As far as free speech goes, just because you can, doesn't mean you should. That being said, I'm glad I can express myself as I want and unfortunately that extends to losers here too.