i read this article today which i think everybody here should really read .
its written by Joel van der Reijden -- Institute for the Study of Globalization and Covert Politics (ISGP)
and this guy truelly knows his shit !
excerpt
On March 19, 2016 hackers manage to fool then Clinton campaign manager John Podesta into changing the password of his gmail account through a basic phishing email. By July it starts raining Podesta emails through Wikileaks, resulting in a number of minor scandals: ties of Clinton to Wall Street and a variety of journalists, shenanigans of the already controversial Clinton Foundation, and concrete evidence that Clinton and the Democratic Party elite purposely undermined Bernie Sanders, Clinton's chief rival for the Democratic nomination. [2] In other words, whoever was behind the hacking did a lot of good - and maybe should receive a Pulitzer Prize.
In an interesting development, the first few days of November 2016 - amidst continued releases of thousands upon thousands of Podesta emails by Wikileaks - saw the emergence of "Pizzagate" in the alternative media: the claim that words as "pizza" and "pasta" in the Podesta emails were used as code words to conceal trafficking and sexual abuse of children. Before we look at any origins or motives behind these claims, let's first see what exactly the evidence entails.
When we look at a number of cited Podesta emails in prominent Pizzagate video clips - such as PizzaGate Definitive Factcheck: Oh My God on the YouTube channel of David Seaman's, a former "liberal CIA" Huffington Post contributor - at first glance one indeed is tempted to think that they reveal a kind of code language surrounding the terms "pizza" and "pasta". However, being extensively familiar with the treacherous nature of disinformation, I checked all the citations in their full context on Wikileaks. As it turns out, all of them have very mundane explanations.
please read the whole article here.
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newworldahead ago
This is it! Pizzagate is officially debunked, folks. /sarc
Millennial_Falcon ago
Yep. The article ignores 99% of the actual pizzagate evidence, instead focusing on stuff that either was misunderstood or could have an innocent explanation. Flairing as disinfo.
dougG ago
Why the f@#$ are you flairing this as disinfo? Let people make up their own mind, this is a cowardly move! I've been saying for a while now that we need to focus on what's real and what's not to further help this investigation. We don't want to waste too much time in the wrong rabbit holes and I believe the Podesta emails to be completely benign but at the same time strongly believe in pizza/pedogate. Its a very unpopular view around but just because something doesn't fit the original and popular narrative of PG doesn't mean we shouldn't consider it. Personally I believe The Podesta emails to be DISINFORMATION and a hindrance to our reputation. There is just nothing there! Here I delve into the reasons why https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1702083
newworldahead ago
You cannot dismiss all the Podestas emails like that. This is not how it works. You cannot just think of an alternate interpretation and conclude "see, there's nothing to see here, move along.".
He could be talking about real pasta and real cheese and real dominoes so let's throw this email in the trash. Really?
While we're at it let's throw jimmycomet's instagram in the trash too because hey after all this guy could only have a dark sense of humor and it's not illegal.
We cannot do this. I'm all for revisiting the emails with fresh eyes, but so far there has not been a single debunking of any email.
dougG ago
With the same logic that you are using I could take any email about food ever written by anyone and twist and turn it into having a sadistic meaning. The logical and reasonable explanation of the verbage in the emails is not an "alternative representation" rather something that doesn't make any sense at all in literary terms such as the ones reached by such a stretch in Pizzagate, is an alternative representation. Same thing goes as if an email by Podesta said outright that he is raping children and someone representing him said no, raping children is just a funny way of him saying "let's have a dinner party" That is an example of something obvious being twisted in to an alternative meaning just to fit a narrative....
fremar ago
hey thanks for your comments , i think youre one of the few who is brave enough to consider that there is another side to pg .
yourtruthseeker ago
I just made a big decision.
I am completely against pedophilia now. Before I thought, hey, if the kid consents, it's fine. If they're being paid to do it, it's fine.
Nah that shit don't fly.
This is child sex slavery, murder and probably torture and grooming for new ultra-sadists. What child would want to fuck an old man or woman? sigh Alas a child could understand money's power very young and it could be consensual on that basis. But I don't want that. I don't want that to be a "thing" or part of a "culture".
1NationUnderAGroove ago
^ To think like that you are basically a MKULTRA drone
Glad you've changed you're thought pattern!
yourtruthseeker ago
Thanks man.
dougG ago
You used to think it was OK if they were paid or consented......You used to be pretty fucked. P.s Why is this on my comment thread?
yourtruthseeker ago
I guess I was. I mean, for me, the only instances of pedophilia I really knew about was Mary Kay Laterneau and... that's really it. I mean, before Pizzagate I was a Hillary supporter, and thought Bill Clinton was just a... normal guy besides the whole Monica Lewinsky thing. It's in this thread because along with my new understanding of pedophilia, those emails are not fucking innocent. None of them.