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DarkMath ago

-- "according to a possible CIA source"

-- "events and evidence is leaning towards what Seaman's CIA contact said"

I don't like the sound of either of those. They sound like pure speculation.

And regarding the page itself and the files the German dude downloaded we can't conclude anything either way. Anyone who sees that download page is justified in being suspicious. But we have no way of knowing if the page existed or the German dude used Photoshop and an Html Editor.

There isn't enough evidence here. And worse the German dude technically hacked into the site which I'm pretty sure is a crime.

What's even worse is Titus Frost not having concrete evidence will just be used to discredit pizzagate. Don't blame me. I'm no shill. It's just there are bigger fish to fry namely the robust Mango business Huma and Hillary were/are running in Chicago. Can anyone here explain why someone would stick their nose up at $1 Mangoes from Mexico and buy $6 Mangoes from Pakistan instead? No? Ok then, moving on:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UEr_wLWnFjg

I hate being the "wet blanket" but we need hard evidence now. Speculation isn't good enough anymore. If there's no audit trail and/or hard evidence it's not worth digging.

VieBleu ago

What's even worse is Titus Frost not having concrete evidence

Don't worry about wet blanket status - we've all been there lol

You have no evidence to prove he is lying at this time, therefore you should not assert that he has no concrete evidence.

The entire post is about whether or not he did indeed have evidence to hand over the police and did he do so. He has stated publicly multiple times now and talked to an AP reporter. Yes if he is lying that will discredit him but it certainly doesn't discredit other hard evidence such as on the Weiner laptop, etc. But bottom line he has definitely not been proven a liar by any means, and evidence is mounting that he is not.

But we have no way of knowing if the page existed or the German dude used Photoshop and an Html Editor.

Someone on this thread has spoken up and said they witnessed the page as well.

\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/\/ Turns out Dark Math does not give evidence, just a link to the CPP computer contents from the past. I put this here because otherwise this reply is not seen.

DarkMath ago

"no evidence to prove he is lying at this time,"

I do have evidence: the wayback machine:

https://web.archive.org/web/20160101000000*/http://cometpingpong.com

If you can find that page great! Send the link, I'd really appreciate it.

YingYangMom ago

https://www.cometpingpong.com/protected (CPP Password-protected Area - Login Page)

https://imgur.com/a/TMf2y (CPP Password-Protected Login Member (ULDL) Area - archived snapshot)

https://imgur.com/a/4veEZ (CPP Password Area Login Zoomed-in)

From Consolidation Thread #1 here : https://voat.co/v/pizzagatewhatever/1652968

DarkMath ago

The problem is the following image:

https://imgur.com/a/TMf2y

How do you know the person who took the screen shot didn't Photoshop it or use an HTML editor to tweak the colors and add in a table?

Actually I'll answer that for you. You can't know. There isn't enough evidence. It's a screenshot someone took.

YingYangMom ago

How do you know the person who took the screen shot didn't Photoshop it or use an HTML editor to tweak the colors and add in a table?

We know, because people clicked on that link before it was removed. And I say 'we' because ofc, there are hundreds, if not thousands of people who clicked on it. The problem is, I'm not sure if there's an archived version of the original link, (not a screenshot, I mean). If there is, I missed it. And if it was a sli.mg archive, then it was lost that way. I personally 100% believe it's a genuine, non-photoshopped screenshot. I just can't prove it.

DarkMath ago

" I'm not sure if there's an archived version of the original link"

There isn't any record of that download page in the wayback machine.

I believe you. But don't shoot the messenger. If we can't prove the download page was there then it's useless as evidence. In fact it's worse than useless because if it were used in court a defense lawyer would point to the wayback machine and you'd lose your credibility.

YingYangMom ago

Not shooting the messenger, lol. The link was lost when reddit pizzagate was taken down. With no link, there is no way to find it on the wayback machine. We're still "grinding water", if there is an archive somewhere out there, i personally don't know where it is.

DarkMath ago

"With no link, there is no way to find it"

Did you know you can just type in a subfolder in the wayback machine's snapshot of a web site?

I add the "protected/" at the end:

Original: https://web.archive.org/web/20161108231907/http://www.cometpingpong.com/

My Edit: https://web.archive.org/web/20161108231907/http://www.cometpingpong.com/protected/

Copy and paste everything inside the quotes and paste it in a browser:

"https://web.archive.org/web/20161108231907/http://www.cometpingpong.com/protected/"

YingYangMom ago

All I'm saying is that the link that people clicked on before removed, was NOT an archived link. It was an original link.

YingYangMom ago

I'm not a 'tech' person, so I'm gonna refrain from commenting on that one. I wouldn't know how to argue with something that I'm not familiar with.

DarkMath ago

"I'm not a 'tech' person"

I am. I've been doing this for 20+ years. There is no record of that download page in the wayback machine. There's only a login page.

I'm just keeping it real with you.

edblings ago

keeping it real with you: i'm no computer expert, but i was following this closely at the time, i saw the login page myself, and logged into it myself, and saw the download page with my own eyes. archive.ls and the way back machine were compromised around this time as well, they removed many archived pages from many different 'investigators'

DarkMath ago

Thanks for the input. I believe you. I strongly suspect "they" were able to remove the page from the wayback machine.

But this might not be as bad as you think. My theory is CPP was/is a red-herring. So yes there was a page there that looked very much like a highly secure download page which would scream child pornography. But that was it, there was no child porn there. The page was there to do exactly what it did: attract random deplorables like you and me who would scream from the mountain tops that CPP was serving up child porn.

By the time we had spread that message all over the world and associated James Alefantis and CPP with child porn "they" pull that page and erase every trace of it from the wayback machine.

Then they start working the story in the media that Pizzagate is just a bunch of homophobic bigots which would act as a dog-whistle to every enlightened liberal in the Milky Way Galaxy to stand up and fight the fascist homophobes at Pizzagate.

Make sense? See how diabolically brilliant the trap is? It's so fucking brilliant I want to create a Hall of Fame of spy-craft and make that the first inductee. Once I saw what they did I was just blown away by how smart these people are at the top. Let's call a spade a spade, if you ignore the heinous and inexcusable crimes and just looked at how things worked you have to tip your hat to these people.

And note the trap isn't even done yet. If you'll notice James Alefantis' brother is starting to show up in some of the posts here. Guess what his brother works on? Vaccines! Can you just see the reaction from the limousine liberals: "My god I thought the bigots at Pizzagate couldn't get any lower. Now they're investigating James Alefantis' brother for working on vaccines!"

;-)

ZalesMcMuffin ago

That one page might possibly have been a red herring. CPP and Alefantis obviously are not, as the web of evidence and associations is very extensive, going back years and spanning numerous individuals and organizations.

Make sense? See how diabolically brilliant the trap is? It's so fucking brilliant I want to create a Hall of Fame of spy-craft and make that the first inductee. Once I saw what they did I was just blown away by how smart these people are at the top.

"p@ssw0rd"

DarkMath ago

Yep. Not a problem if the FBI would investigate. They could go to backup hard drives or any number of things including the fact the NSA and Google have that page archived as well.

YingYangMom ago

Agreed :)