https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_XOfXQDUecM
Ive been watching the people come up on stage and give speeches. It seems like they hired these people to look retarded and crazy. These people are absolute jokes oh man. The typical crazies, im almost embarrassed of pizzagate. Lmao this thing is so obviously a disinfo psy op. The first man to speak was David Shilman, lol this is a joke. I had a feeling this march was going to be used to make pizzagate look stupid.
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wecanhelp ago
Sadly I have to agree. In the half hour I was watching the stream, I heard about fallen angels, Zionist Jews, Nazis, Trump, and Michael Jackson. This is doing more harm than good, whether it's the product of paid disinformation or just plain ignorance. The open mic in particular is a very bad idea.
featheredmasks ago
Yeah, seriously why the fuck is MJ being suddenly brought into pizzagate as of this last week? I've never seen as many posts about him as I have very recently.
mjvictims ago
Excuse me I have had a page set up for the VICTIMS of MJ now for over four years. On that page we discuss both the Michael Jackson case as well as other high profile cases of child exploitation. If you actually listened what I was discussing is the topic of cognitive dissonance and how it is hard for the general public to understand that even people who are philanthropic to children's causes can also be child abusers. I came a long way discuss my experiences trying to educate the public on this cause. I have also posted several times on Voat discussing this topic and even posted an interview I did with Ed Opperman about this topic. So before you attack me get your facts straight.
featheredmasks ago
I never attacked you and never even saw your posts, so stay in your lane.
If you've ever read the documents of the TWO cases (let's be honest, the other civil lawsuits postmortem are money grabs), you'd see how fraudulent they are. Sneddon was literally creating evidence in front of the Grand Jury, which is on the transcript of the Grand Jury Trial for 2003-2005.
You'd know about Evan Chandler drugging his son with Sodium Amytal once his ex-wife and kids started hanging around Michael more than him, and when Michael finally stopped the money train and wouldn't fund an expansion of his house. Evan committed suicide because he's a pathetic dentist who couldn't make it big in Hollywood beyond writing Men in Tights. Jordan didn't even want to be around him.
And the Arvizos were a joke from the start. The mother had been scamming celebrities for years prior to Michael and researched the prior case to coach her kids. She even reached out to the first civil lawyer the Chandlers used because that's all she cared about, and she didn't want it going to court. Do I also have to remind you that now Gavin carries Michael Jackson's last name? Yes, it's after his step dad but if you were brutally raped and molested DURING YOUR CANCER, how the hell would you carry that same persons last name?
Fuck right off and do your research.
mjvictims ago
First of all let's go over a couple of points first you claimed that my comments somehow show that the protest was all about disinformation. The reality is is that I have been supporting the accusers of Michael Jackson for 4 years. The reason why I believe it is so important is because that case shows even when there is mountains of information that points to Michael Jackson being a child predator anyone who dares to question his motives around children are either verbally attacks harassed or told to be quiet. I went to this protest because I felt that the Michael Jackson case parallels what is going on with PedoGate. Michael Jackson was a very wealthy, influential and famous individual who used all those aspects of his life to sexually exploit children. As we speak there are PR firms that makes sure any negative information that relates to his past allegations are white washed, that is exactly what the mainstream media is doing when covering the topic of elite child exploitation. Anyone who dares to come forward and show support for those who may be in some of the worst conditions imaginable are told to be quiet and are mocked harassed and ridiculed. So next let's get to your claims you made starting with the Arvizo family. First of all if you actually did your research you would realize that Gavin did not change his last name to Jackson his mother did. The reality is is that a name did not rape Gavin but a man did. If you actually did the research you would have realized Gavin recently got married and his last name is Arvizo. Also this idea that Tom Mesereau made about the Arvizo's being grifters and out for money.....history has proven him WRONG AGAIN. Before the case started Janet Arvizo stated she did not want the devil's money after the case she stated the same. If Janet was this amoral psychopath that was willing to use her children for a payday she would of got her payday. Made no difference if she lost the criminal trial. The burden of proof in a civil trial is much lower and anyone with half a brain could see MJ barely got through the criminal trial. If there was a civil trial all the information that was barred would be fair game, more than likely a settlement would of been reached, However if the Arvizos dud not want to go through another court case it would have been easy to parlay their situation into a money making giant. Exclusive Interviews, Book Deals, International Press Junkets, etc To this day Gavin has six figure offers to give exclusive interviews, he refused. However Gavin will be telling his story during Wade's trial, for free. Next let's get to the claim that you made about the Chandler case in which you stated Evan Chandler who was a dentist gave his son (Jordan) sodium amytal to sedate him. I am assuming you are bringing this up because you believe that this drug was used to place false memories in Jordan's mind. First of all sodium amytal can be used to make people more susceptible to placing information but in no way can it have the results of having a 13 yr old child give a detailed, repeatedly consistent delineation of his abuse to both law enforcement, social workers, therapists and detectives. Sorry Sodium amytal is not a magic drug. However Jordan was never sedated with that drug but by a run of the mill sedative that was used in the dental practice. Jordan's own uncle laughed at that claim, sorry it is bogus. Next let's look at the hard facts of the case Jordan accurately described the underside of MJ'S genitals. My sources are DA Tom Sneddon, lead investigator Bill Dworin, Dr Strick who was in the room when the pictures were taken and the most surprising source Michael Jackson's own defense attorney Carl Douglas who when they got the pictures and description back said it was the 300 lb gorilla in the room and they knew that they had to silence the child. Look it up on YouTube it is a video entitled Frozen in Time. Shortly after hmmm a 20 million dollar settlement was given. Next let's look at your claim that all the other accusers are just looking for a money grab. Do you know Wade Robson? I do. He is a talented and at the time in demand choreographer. He went through two nervous breakdowns. He recently had a child and coming forward at that time was a risk. He knew it would be career suicide but he needed to tell his story. If you don't think his lawyers told him how much of a long shot case this is, you know nothing. However he decided to come forward and file a civil claim. He knew that by him coming forward it may destroy his career and he had a family to think of. Next James Safechuck is a successful computer engineer. He has a wife and children. He also suffers from PTSD which is a result from his abuse by MJ. He heard Wade come forward and decided he was not going to live in fear anymore. He again understands the difficulties of his civil claim but wants to be heard in a court of law. Next let's take the newest accuser who is now a grown woman. When she was twelve she was raped by Michael Jackson. She has both disturbing letters and cancelled checks in the sum of 920,000. The largest check came in 1993 during the Chandler allegations, that check was for $600,000. If you did your research you would know that back than MJ hired private investigator thug Anthony Pelicano who went around to all possible complainants and either bought them off or used threats and intimidation. If you did the research you would also know that Pelicano did a jail house interview in which he is quoted as saying "MJ did a lot worse things than just molesting boys" If you also did your research you have realized that one of Michael Jackson's most staunch supporters Aphrodite Jones in a interview with Blog Talk Radio stated that after hearing the testimony of June Chandler that she felt it was unnerving and felt that MJ was in love with that boy. So I hope that helps, it is called real research you may want to try it sometime.
featheredmasks ago
LMFAO. In what universe did Jordan describe Michael's penis accurately? He said it was circumcised and he got the spots wrong (one could argue Michael's vitiligo was actively progressing due to his head burn and his use of bleaching creams once he passed the 50% line SO ill give you the spots claim), soooo???
Also, Wade was going into debt when all this shit happened, he was not in demand by any means and you are insane if you believe that.
I do know about Pelicano's claims and it's not a quote I like, so fair point. Michael also didn't pay people because he didn't think he had to (see Shana Mangatal's quotes over the last few days about paintings he didn't pay for etc), so it's possible Pelicano just didn't get paid and is salty. We don't have evidence that the quote means he was part of some Satanic boy buttfuck ritual.
I know who Aphrodite is, and I have her book. You do realize June Chandler was being intimidated by her exhusband, saying he'd keep Jordan away from her for good unless she complied? Of course testimony would match up.
Also, must I redirect you to the (unfortunately removed from their site since 2009ish) GQ article from 1994 in regards to Sodium Amytal. Even in 94 they knew it was a drug that suggested memories and did not cause truths to come out. Many therapists have been sued by fathers of women who came out claiming their fathers abused them based on suggestive thoughts with this drug. I have no idea where you are getting that he was just on basic sedation and would honestly love proof if you have it.
I don't want to defend Michael if he's guilty and I started in 2005 thinking he was, but I've been researching this since then, and have never found a lick of evidence against him.
mjvictims ago
Again more flawed research. The idea that Jordan described MJ as being circumcised came from a book called MJ was my lover written by Victor Guiterez. The description in that book was unverified and unsubstantiated. So if you believe what is in the book. You must agree many of his other outrageous of claims of MJ having circle jerk and how he was in love with Jordan. This all came out of that same book which I never reference but if you want to embrace that book, go ahead. Next use common logic. MJ had one of the best defense attorneys on the planet in 1993, Johny Cochran. So you are saying the same attorney that got OJ off was so incompetent that he empirical proof that the accuser's description was totally inaccurate which would of proved without a doubt that he was lying and never saw MJ naked but instead of using that indisputable information, Johny Cochran decided to advise a settlement of 20 million dollars, seriously. Again there is ZERO proof he used sodium amytal another myth and again that drug does not have magical powers. Jordan was interviewed by some of the best detectives on child sexual abuse. He was even interviewed by a psychiatrist who specialized in coached and fraudulent claims and he said Jordan's testimony was credible. As for the proof of the basic sedation that came from Evan Chandler's associate who was there when it happened and also comes from the mouth of Evan's brother Raymond who when interviewed essentially laughed at the concept of a magical truth serum that allowed Jordan to give long, detailed consistent, testimony that men/ women from all fields of expertise agree was credible.Next as for Wade's so called debt. Do have his bank statements. Do you realize that he hired one of the most expensive entertainment attorneys in LA county. He has now changed law firms and make no mistake his former attorneys did not work for free, especially when he changed law firms. Do you realize that Wade wrote popular songs for NSync and was a choreographer for some popular movies. He also now lives in one of the most expensive parts of the country, Maui. He also had accumulated a great deal of savings from his highly successful career and like most people had investments. So stop speaking about what you don't know. As for your link of evidence. That is laughable. There is plenty of evidence but because it is Michael Jackson you raise the bar to the height of MT Everest. Seven accusers, three cash payouts, one child accurately describing the underside of MJ'S genitals. Again I gave you references including his own attorney Carl Douglas. MJ sharing a bed with a child for 100s of nights.If you read the 2005 court transcripts you would realize that one of MJ'S "special friends" sister testified that MJ shared a bed with her brother over 300 nights, again she was a defense witness. In 1993 again read the court documents they found a Polaroid type picture of a naked boy they believed to be another special friend J. Spence. They also found in a locked filing cabinet two books which were edited by pedophiles. One book was called Boys will be boys and had an inscription by MJ himself praising the book. Again these semi nude and nude pictures in these books were hand picked by pedophiles and the book was highly rated by boy lover groups. MJ also wrote disturbing letters to a twelve year old stating things like "I love you so much" I am getting even more crazy about you" again this letter was to a twelve yr old. He also wrote checks to her for $920,000 MJ also defended the fact that unrelated children should be sharing beds with 30, 40 yr old men. MJ also would also ignore children when they reached puberty. This was even mentioned by Sean Lennon. Again most people living in the teal world would be convicted with one quarter of this information. This is exactly what the pedogate movement is about. Waking people up to what is right in front of them.