TamalepantsMD ago

can't upvoat this enough! on one hand i'm extraordinarily frustrated by the people on here (mods, etc) who are trying to push a narrative and guide us by our little hands bc they somehow know far more than us little people could ever hope to understand. i fear that their tactics work on voaters rather than just be annoying noise that we need to learn to ignore and work around. on the other hand, i'm glad for it bc it makes it quite obvious who the shills are. i.e. the people to ignore now and in the future. not just the user names, either, since many have different accounts, but their message, their tactic, and their attitude. once you learn their MO, they are easy to spot. and a major red flag is anyone or anything who tries to muzzle the truth of the situation, regardless of whatever lame excuse they come up with.

as far as protests are concerned, i really hope that those of us truly concerned about the situation don't believe that we need some complicated, iron-clad, multi-tiered presentation to prove the legitimacy of our presence. protests are about awareness. one sign among a group of silent protesters seen in front of hundreds of people walking past will, quite obviously, make more people aware than...nothing. even 5 people who get tuned into the problem is worth it. bc those 5 people know people. and they will tell those people. and those people will tell their friends and groups. and on and on and on. it's the same concept that makes the MLMs work. the shills know it and so do TPTB that employ them. which is why they want us silenced. which is why they make countless excuses for why we shouldn't protest. bc at this point, public displays are the only thing they can't censor. so they are trying to prevent them before they start.

awake and arise.

Chatman ago

In case you wasn't aware, pizzagaters are somewhat sceptical of everything and given the recent false flags (gunman and shill protest of CPP) it was a smart move not to automatically back every random protest.

If you want to help the movement, keep investigating rather then getting caught up in metadiscussions about hurt feelings

sound_of_silence ago

the false info in the post makes the whole sub look bad, but it makes the mods look the worst. i care about this sub and don't want to see false information sticked... do you?

Chatman ago

I would rather see an out of date sticky and time spent investigating and researching then more meta threads about mods, voat search bars and other distractions

sound_of_silence ago

the mods were horrible to those nice people who organized that march.... and to add insult to injury have a host of misleading and false info in the sticky... you could research pizzagate until the end of time because the rabbit hole is that deep... but if we all don't stick together instead of spreading lies, fear and division, then the amazing window to see justice done will eventually close.

how can you honestly stand behind this sticky.

Chatman ago

I don't support it I understand it. Not to mention supporting the rally can put voat in legal hot water. Voat is just the medium for the pizzagate investigation, Reddit was the previous one & none are perfect.

Sometimes you gotta put up with a few imperfections, but if you start getting bogged down in these distractions youll not be able to dedicate your time/energy where it really counts

sound_of_silence ago

I don't support it I understand it. Not to mention supporting the rally can put voat in legal hot water. Voat is just the medium for the pizzagate investigation, Reddit was the previous one & none are perfect.

all they had to do was say, "Due to legal risk we are not promoting either march" like professionals... not sow division like shills.

Sometimes you gotta put up with a few imperfections, but if you start getting bogged down in these distractions youll not be able to dedicate your time/energy where it really counts

no one should "put up" with false information, misleading suggestions and pushing a narrative of violence... if the mods just put a disclaimer up like normal people, it wouldn't be an issue... and i'm sure if you were the person they singled out to attack when you decided to help spread the word, that you would appreciate an apology... pizzagaters are decent people and there's no reason not to treat each other with that decency.

i'm not going to sit by and watch falsehoods be spread around without calling them out and i should hope the same for all of us.

how can you still back the sticky when you know it's full of false info?

paulieweb ago

I never understood why a second protest was created to happen a week before the real one. Really seemed like a split & distract situation.

sound_of_silence ago

it wasn't.. they were both planned with no knowledge of the other, by two different organizers... when they discovered each other, the folks in the first demonstration had already finalized all their plans and both agreed trying to get everyone to either one of the events wasn't feasible, so they just went on with both.

Really seemed like a split & distract situation.

it really wasn't... the idea of a march was out there in the community and someone was bound to act on as soon as the weather broke decent enough to be outdoors that long in DC.

13Buddha ago

Answer this. What the fuck is the use of a protest when the average, dumb-downed American -in--the street has no f'ing clue about any of this? Subversion is needed to get info to MSM. Break into CNN, ABC, NBC, FOX, BBC, and CBS , say at 10 pm ET on a Wednesday night, coast-to-coast, with one or two excellent orators with graphics, whatever it takes to get the f'ing word out. I don't know how in the hell to do it, but you better believe there are people on our side out there who do know. Print a newspaper and drop off a bundle at every mini-mart across the country. We need to get it together.

AreWeSure ago

We should just take some guns down to Comet Ping Pong and rescue those kids from the basement.

Then call a news conference.

DarkMath ago

"take some guns down to Comet Ping Pong and rescue those kids from the basement"

AreWeSure at least you admit the whole Edgar Welch story was a crock of shit. You're making progress!


Edgar Welch's sister walks into Comet Ping Pong looking for her friend Gary:

https://youtu.be/U8XrE0FSQv4?t=21

Hiya!

Bye!

AreWeSure ago

No, I think the Edgar Maddison Welch story employs the same logic that is used everyday on this board as in the Post I responded to

DarkMath ago

"the Edgar Maddison Welch story employs the same logic"

Ok AreWeSure. Message received. Say no more. Wink Wink nudge nudge.

A wink's as good as a nod to a blind bat hey AreWeSure?

You didn't even laugh at the joke. Oh I have an idea. Let's pretend. Let's play make believe and imagine for just a minute you actually have a soul. Shall we?

Edgar Welch's sister walks into Comet Ping Pong looking for her friend Gary:

https://youtu.be/U8XrE0FSQv4?t=21

Great! Thanks for playing......

sound_of_silence ago

do you remember these IRL LARPers The Yes Men..

The Yes Men (along with the Anti-Advertising Agency) also claimed partial responsibility for a prank on November 12, 2008, where approximately 80,000 copies of a fake edition of the July 4, 2009 edition of The New York Times were handed out on the streets of New York and Los Angeles

they need to join the pizzagate truth movement.

plus, it did some good and some good is better than no good.. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2Ei3nMo0X0A

if there are large enough peaceful numbers at the WH it will also beg a response from the Head Troll in Charge... his "1st member" dude confirmed the administration is aware of pizzagate in his AMA (across the pond).... they can't ignore the cry of the people and that cry has to start somewhere in public..

hopefully the small incident with the organizer for the other march will help cement the reminder that it all needs to be peaceful and productive.

regular people could also use a full and professional legal investigative documentary. @FoxDen is one of the volunteers for the March 18th event (the guy Echo Truths is interviewing in the first video).. he's an attorney.. and a nice guy.. it's good to have a nice guy attorney on the side of pizzagate to help approach the atrocities from a legal perspective.

TruthTrumps ago

I like your thinking! How awesome would that be if the good guys could hack into the networks and blast this out to the public from every single news station. I like your mini mart idea too. Wondering if we could all pool our money to take out full-page ads in major newspapers across the country ? Something tells me that TPTB would not allow it. We do need to get it together.

Also just wondering… do radio talk shows have this subject blocked? I have to believe a lot of people have tried to call In.

13Buddha ago

I agree completely, but you will have assholes present who will ruin your message. This topic is so huge, indescribably huge, in 1000 lifetimes could one ever imagine such a thing? This is why the message delivered and its presentation should be handled with care and kid gloves. The old saying will always remain true - One bad apple can spoil the bunch.

equineluvr ago

"MSM" network talk radio is completely censored/controlled.

It appears that independent programs are already discussing PG but perhaps more exposure is needed.

WolvesAndSheeple ago

I think the protesters should be apologizing to everyone concerned with PG and human trafficking. You made us all look crazy, violent, and dangerous. Neil got into a physical altercation with someone on camera, and made a big huge scene. He also was using his three large dobermans to intimidate people and chase people down the street. Not only that, but you KNEW that you would have resistance from the public in the area, yet you still decided to scream, yell, and call people names, and arguing with people instead of talking to them. You were also told that it was a terrible idea to protest at Comet, but you STILL DID IT. It is shocking to actually see that you believe this accomplished ANYTHING positive.

You did nothing to further the movement. You did not help children. You did not wake anyone up. You did not represent the movement well. You did not get any positive publicity. You did not make us look SANE.

sound_of_silence ago

You made us all look crazy, violent, and dangerous. Neil got into a physical altercation with someone on camera, and made a big huge scene. He also was using his three large dobermans to intimidate people and chase people down the street. Not only that, but you KNEW that you would have resistance from the public in the area, yet you still decided to scream, yell, and call people names, and arguing with people instead of talking to them.

That was Neil Wolfe, who has nothing to do with the March 18th event. He is the organizer of the March 25th event. The organizers of the March 18th event (of which I am not one) and everyone who showed up to stand with them, conducted themselves with decency and peacefulness, handling out pamphlets and explaining the cause. And they deserve an apology.

You were also told that it was a terrible idea to protest at Comet, but you STILL DID IT. It is shocking to actually see that you believe this accomplished ANYTHING positive.

Neil wasn't initially involved with this march and it's obvious nothing would have occurred other than peaceful sharing on information, had Neil not "made a huge scene" (apparently it was incited when someone grabbed his phone).

You did nothing to further the movement. You did not help children. You did not wake anyone up. You did not represent the movement well. You did not get any positive publicity. You did not make us look SANE.

Your entire complaint is about Neil Wolfe, who has nothing to do with this post. Why don't you create a post about Neil Wolfe and spread the fear and loathing narrative in that.

WolvesAndSheeple ago

Did you know, that if you ride in a stolen car with friends, that you will also be arrested as an accessory?

Neil Wolfe was just the guy that stole the car.

You can try to explain it away all you like, it still reflects poorly on proponents of PG, which is one of the major reasons that this was a terrible idea. Did you go into Comet Ping Pong and fire an AR-15? No? Do people associate you with someone that went into Comet Ping Pong and fired an AR-15 if you talk about PG? Yes?

Weird how that works. Why don't you create a thread showing how many people got red pilled after this event, or get a nice list of all of the positive press attention that this protest attracted.

sound_of_silence ago

the organizers of the march today deserve an apology and the sticky should come down.

why do you want a sticky that is associating "protest" with "false flag" in any way at all...? that's not smart planning... do you think if something does, God-forbid, happen, that MSM would be fair about it when mentioning voat... or would they latch on to the fact that a "false flag was the hot topic" there? why don't you "imagine" that scenario and consider what something that is truly concerning actually looks like.

throwaway89209834 ago

Your protest did nothing to further the cause.

Failing to lead a successful protest makes us look bad.

You are just pulling away potential resources from further investigation.

Now you want to waste more of our time with an unprecedented post so long it takes 3 posts to get all your verbal diarrhea out? . Sorry things didn't go how you wanted. Stop pointing your fingers and move on.

MyNameIsLuka ago

Dude, they (we) aren't wrong. Send postcards to everyone. Redpill others and get them to send postcards to everyone. Disorganized public protest makes us look crazy and helps nothing and no one. It actually hurts.

V____Z ago

You're actually wrong. There are Voaters weighing in on yesterday's protest saying that it helped, and didn't hurt. Do you have evidence to the contrary?

MyNameIsLuka ago

I just think we need more clear evidence and an organized message. I watched the videos and read the threads. There may have been a few that were enlightened, but I'm afraid it looks too fringe. It's scary to people.

sound_of_silence ago

It's scary to people.

pushing the fear narrative....

MyNameIsLuka ago

No, I'm just being honest. It freaks people out. Without concrete evidence, it sounds really weird.

Don't get me wrong, I know pizza/pedo-gate exists on a powerful and systemic level. It's also nothing new. It's incredibly insidious. A few folks with signs aren't going to change anything. They will just be labeled "fringe".

sound_of_silence ago

i'm sorry, but it only freaks out people who are afraid to take a decent stand for the truth... we all spread the word where we can day to day but the troll in the WH and the world at large need to see our peaceful solidarity and commitment to getting and investigation and justice. it has to start somewhere.

V____Z ago

We should focus on what we do have concrete evidence of: Podesta is using KNOWN pedophile code in copious emails that he has admitted are real emails, and HE HAS NOT EXPLAINED THIS

Secondly we know from FOIA that the DC Police straight up lied about having conducted an investigation into this, and the head of the DC PD is buddies with Alefantis, and protected a child rapist in the past.

There are things we know that we should be shoving in their faces and mentioning at every interview, but unfortunately I didn't see some of these obvious red flags and discrepancies mentioned.