Folks, I've had to repeat this a disturbing amount of times, so let's review how investigations work.
You have an idea that some sort of activity is happening, perpetrated by a person or persons. In order to demonstrate this to others, you search for and document evidence to support your idea. You then present this documented evidence to others in order to convince them that your idea is correct.
That's how the process of convincing people of something you believe works.
It is NOT where you throw out an idea with no evidence whatsoever, and then tell people to go find the evidence on their own.
That's called bullshit. There's plenty in the world already. Don't dump yours here.
I'm sorry to have to sound like an asshole here, but I'm fed up with the amount of assholes on this site that seem to think that their bullshit is contributing to Pizzagate. It isn't. When you make wild claims with nothing more than "I remember someone saying this, go look it up", you are not helping anyone. You are just making noise. Stop it. Either cite the evidence for what you are saying, or shut the fuck up and stop cluttering a serious investigation with your speculation.
I'm not talking to most people here, but the people I'm talking about either know who they are and need to knock off their bullshit, or they're too stupid to have brought anything to this site to begin with.
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UnicornsAndSparkles ago
What if you can't find an article you know you've read before? There is a difference between claiming you've solved pizzagate and asking the community to help you out after recalling a relevant article or video you can no longer find!
madmanpg ago
There's nothing wrong with asking people to help you find a source. This kind of community is probably the best place for that.
What would be wrong is answering someone who challenges the veracity of your claim with a demand that THEY find the source for it. That's not their responsibility.
notdivided ago
there are also shills requesting proof for every claim that has already been sourced and documented. If we have to post a bibliography for every response that bogs down the conversation and discourages focusing on new research. I've been participating since the reddit days and newbies (or shills) "demanding a source" about established facts are turning this place into stalled out echo chamber.
Ultimately YOU are personally responsible for verifying any claim that is made to you- not the other way around.
If readers of this sub are mere blind chicks with beaks open, waiting to be fed the next regurgitated source what is the point of any of this? Learn to think people. Learn to research. Stop wasting your time arguing about asinine things. Anyone who cares so little about the truth that they only care for it if it's hand fed to them and would never use their own energy to seek it for themselves is a waste of time in this forum to begin with.
Just because someone provides a source doesn't necessarily mean their claim is true. Just because someone does not provide a source doesn't necessarily mean their claim is not true. If YOU research a claim and it is true then you should suppose it is true. If YOU research a claim or source and find problems then you should suppose it is not true. If YOU take any claim or source without personal verification you are a tool.
madmanpg ago
There are also new people who have only just now heard or started researching Pizzagate. If you are unwilling to explain what is known to others, then how can you claim to be helping the investigation? Are you prepared to say you can tell the difference between the enormous amount of people that will be coming to find out more as more comes out, and the shills? I'd like proof of that.
No, this is flatly wrong. Whatever claims you make, you bear the responsibility for convincing others they are true. If you refuse that responsibility, it's the responsibility of rational people to treat it as nothing more than rumor. If you expect strangers to go around researching every crazy thing that comes out of your mouth, you're presumptuous as hell.
Then call it out as such, as people regularly do.
Really doesn't matter if they can't prove their claim. That's why our rules of evidence exist in our justice system. This is about finding information to take down the perpetrators of Pizzagate, not to give them more credibility with unverified fantasies about alien cults.
You're talking like the mainstream media, blaming your audience for you telling them things that are untrue and then laughing at them for believing it. People do not have the time to go around debunking every lie in the world, because the mainstream media keeps them plenty busy on a daily basis just with their shit. Then they have to debunk all the politicians' lies, and the lies of advertising, and the lies in their workplaces, etc. As I said, the world is full of bullshit. This place is a place for truth, for informing people, and for increasing awareness of information that others want obscured. Get off your pretentious high horse and accept that you have a responsibility to show that what you're saying is true. If not, don't get bent out of shape when people say your unverified claim is bullshit. We have enough. Don't add more.
notdivided ago
I am so glad you took the time to write that. Line by line exactly what NOT to do. so I take it you are the audience and I am the researcher? You consume curated facts and I find them for you? BWHAHAHA.
And your shtick about MSM- WOW just WOW. You really don't feel personally responsible for verifying what you believe? As long as someone else convinces you it is on them?
See the thing is I didn't tell anyone anything that is untrue and i'm only laughing at the people who are supposedly interested in a buried scandal, and yet don't expect to lift a finger discovering the facts. I think it's pretty clear you don't give a damn about the truth. The great thing about this sub is there is an archive- if you are new go back and read it don't harass legit researchers and bog down posts with your ignorant questions that are easily searched and addressed.
and that is how we know you care 0% about the truth. an unverified claim is not bullshit and a rational person would never say so. It's unverified. It's only bullshit to consumerists like you who only take your news "approved" and regurgitated from others. The exact type of people who have no business weighing in on the veracity of a claim or source.
Besides I don't really see anyone getting bent out of shape about people accepting or not accepting their claims- more like just a bunch of concern trolls asking for sources on accepted facts bogging down the threads.
madmanpg ago
I am so glad I'm not taking the time to address the rest.
notdivided ago
admission by omission! I am the researcher you are the audience. I am the curator you are the consumer. Apparently the facts have no bearing on if you are convinced or not, glad to see you're using your go to no strategy strategy:
madmanpg ago
Ah, you're one of these people who talks at others and takes their refusal to engage your emotional outbursts as a success.
notdivided ago
the truth exists in spite of your persistent >refusal to engage.
you OP this post, made your own claim. You invited a response by engaging. what evidence do you have? what source? obvi your post is bullshit. any rational person can see that on it's face. you expect us to listen to this crap without providing ANYTHING to verify your claim? I've had to repeat this a disturbing amount of times, so let's review how investigations work.
You have an idea that some sort of activity is happening, perpetrated by a person or persons. In order to demonstrate this to others, you search for and document evidence to support your idea. You then present this documented evidence to others in order to convince them that your idea is correct.
That's how the process of convincing people of something you believe works.
It is NOT where you throw out an idea with no evidence whatsoever, and then tell people to go find the evidence on their own.
That's called bullshit. There's plenty in the world already. Don't dump yours here.
I'm sorry to have to sound like an asshole here, but I'm fed up with the amount of assholes on this site that seem to think that their bullshit is contributing to Pizzagate. It isn't.