What We Are Up Against (pizzagate)

submitted ago by truthstrangerthanfic

So I was all excited tonight to find this on the front page of Reddit:

Who Took Johnny (2014) - A missing child leads to the discovery of a much more sinister pedophile ring.

I said, "Wow! What a great opportunity for people to get red pilled and have their eyes opened."

But then I read the comments. Did searches for "pizza" and "pedo" to make sure I didn't miss anything.

I am posting this not to discourage us because we continue to make great progress, but just as a reminder of what we are up against.

What is the result of those endless mainstream "instantly debunked" stories? Wikipedia: debunked. Snopes: debunked.

What you get is these regurgitated talking points, mixed with their own confusion and disinterest:

...and then the RNC tried to use "Pizzagate" as ammunition against the Clintons, so it became a hot button issue.

Or, it was 4chan making things up, as they tend to do

The RNC didn't start it. They did try to run with it, or at least Trump did. But pizza gate definitely came straight from 4chan, and they made it up.

It doesn't exist. They claimed they were keeping kids in a basement that literally does not exist. That pizza parlor has never had a basement.

Its not fucking real. Saying "I don't know if pizzagate is real". Is like saying "I don't know if the loch ness monster is real". They're fucking fake.

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listentoreason2017 ago

Maybe those people are still interested in stopping human trafficking but want professional organizations with experience and knowledge to do it.

dingomeat ago

Oh, you mean the professional organizations that are all complicit in it?

listentoreason2017 ago

If that's true, why have I seen posted a bunch of links to rings being busted by I.C.E. and the FBI?

How can every organization simultaneously be complicit in it, but also breaking them up at a record pace since Trump was sworn in? Which is it?

EngelbertHumperdinck ago

It could be that they are busting small time operators to make us think they're handling it, while the big fish swim away.

listentoreason2017 ago

You realize this line of thinking is disastrous right? Because then no matter how many people get arrested, they just didn't go high enough. They could imprison 60% of DC and there would be people thinking "But maybe....those were just sacrificial lambs to protect (higher ups/bankers/NWO/Reptilians/Aliens/Rothschilds/etc)"

EngelbertHumperdinck ago

I'd be pretty stoked if I saw even 5% of DC locked up.

EngelbertHumperdinck ago

That's the slave mindset —always looking for government to solve their problems.

listentoreason2017 ago

So how many actual physical human beings have you saved then? Because that's what I'm talking about.

Not on the internet by spreading awareness, but real people. Until I see "EngelbertHumperdink saves a child from human trafficking in ____" I'll consider your contribution ancillary to people who actually do the heavy lifting.

EngelbertHumperdinck ago

No, I get it. But my point is that we can't just sit back and rely on 'the professionals' when the problem is this huge.

listentoreason2017 ago

Respectfully, I don't think you get it.

Regardless of what you think you're doing right now in preventing human trafficking, until you physically rescue someone from a pimp or a sex ring, you ARE sitting back and relying on 'the professionals'. They are the ones that are actually doing the work and that's what most people recognize. They realize that most of what people do on here is virtue signaling vs organizations that put their morals into practice in the real world through action.

EngelbertHumperdinck ago

It's funny you mention that. My father once rescued a girl from human trafficking. Literally carried her out of a crack house to (at least temporary) safety. And he was definitely not law enforcement.

listentoreason2017 ago

That's incredible! Is he involved in pizzagate?

EngelbertHumperdinck ago

I can't tell if you're being sarcastic, but no. He died like 20 years ago.

palmitespo910 ago

I am not sure that "professional organizations" and "government" are the same thing, but I see what you're saying. I know that I am having some trouble with the pizzagate research and compilation mostly because the only ones we have on our side is each other. And who is to say how many we have in our ranks? If we wanted to finally storm the white house or something, how would that be organized? A professional organization of a sort would be very helpful in this endeavor, with a wide enough reach you can make almost anything happen. However, we then run into the issue of "well who the fuck are we supposed to ask? CPS? NCMEC? CGI? THORN? MillionKids?" and that's where I kind of lose my spunk if I don't keep an eye on my attitude and the goal of this investigation. And the goal of this investigation is to bring the truth to light and save the kids. At least, for me, it is.

Tyranny-News-Network ago

How about folks who already understand the power they wield as citizens or as members of the free press? No collective required.

palmitespo910 ago

Well yes. That's what I'm currently seeing in PizzagateAngela and Alex Jones and Cynthia McSomethinf (McKinney? McConnell?). Actively bringing the truth to light for their audience. I mean I do this thing where I don't feel like I'm doing enough even when I am. I as in just myself or I as in a collective in this case.

EngelbertHumperdinck ago

We should reach out to Stewart Rhodes of the Oath Keepers. We need somebody like that on our side.

equineluvr ago

He's compromised too.

EngelbertHumperdinck ago

Really? Do you have a source for this claim?

palmitespo910 ago

I had never heard of Oath Keepers before, but I'll be real when I tell you this is a great idea. From what I see, he "represents" or at least has the reach to other military members who intend to keep their oath to defend the constitution against all enemies, foreign and domestic. That sound about right to you?

EngelbertHumperdinck ago

Yeah, from what I understand, he's the real deal. We need people who aren't afraid to take the law into their own hands.

palmitespo910 ago

I can agree and disagree with that. This isn't a movement where we wanna go in guns a blazin...you have to remember, we're the hateful bigots remember? We're the idiots. We're the ones that are being manipulated. We will just be crucified.

EngelbertHumperdinck ago

But we can't rely on government agencies to do the work for us. They are all compromised. Unless we form some kind of group that carries force, we are wasting our time.

palmitespo910 ago

And I agree with this as well. It's a catch 22 here. Either we cause a commotion and it blows over or we don't cause a commotion and it blows over. Again. Like it has, apparently, countless times.

So that begs the question. How would we form a group without being infiltrated by the shills?

EngelbertHumperdinck ago

That's the most important question of our times. I wish I had the answer.

palmitespo910 ago

I guess the answer is "forcefully remove the shills."

EngelbertHumperdinck ago

Yes, but how do we identify the shills? It's not so easy. Just ask @SaneGoatiSwear. He's fucking obsessed with it and fighting a losing battle.

palmitespo910 ago

I am not having a difficult time at all spotting the shills. I mean they really only have, like, three tactics.

  1. Disinform
  2. Outright deny
  3. Project

I am sure there are others that I missed, but those are the ones that I spot immediately, especially on /pol/ I'm pretty sure they're not even trying over there.

EngelbertHumperdinck ago

Sure. Identifying shills online is easy, but we're talking about a group of actual human beings, not just internet accounts. We need real, physical force to arrest and detain the offenders.

palmitespo910 ago

I have been very adamant about making sure that this is a peaceful investigation on my end and that I don't get any ideas that violence will be the answer.

I am inching closer to the idea that the only way to eradicate this monster is by sheer destructive force.

EngelbertHumperdinck ago

The diligent researchers here and at /pol/ have already uncovered plenty of evidence to incriminate the offenders, but nothing is being done by the law enforcement agencies. Unless we want all our work to be for naught, we need to form a coalition of individuals who are not afraid to step up and put an end to this.

palmitespo910 ago

But on the other hand, I believe that I can count on The Donald to take care of this. A recent interview showed that President Trump, basically, is in awe about this whole thing. Not only that, the new evidence from Wiener's laptop and cloud services that has been uncovered and his May 7th court appearance may shed some new light into the investigation.

I feel like I'm between a rock and a harder place. I don't trust my government and don't want to trust my government but I want to trust the system to get the job done.

EngelbertHumperdinck ago

The 'system' is not going to get this job done. The 'system' is enabling and perpetuating this problem. Growing up, I heard a million times, "If you want something done right, you have to do it yourself." Unfortunately, that's where we're at right now.

palmitespo910 ago

Like I said, I don't trust but I want to.