Fuck knows. Every day someone on this sub blames shit on "the left". I support the green party, pretty left right? Does that make me a fucking pedo sympathiser and Hilary supporter? No, fuck off. It's not all black and white.
Those terms are so dividing, trying to make a complex matter simple and tribal. Drives me nuts when people use it.
Communism & Stalinism in particular are imperfect systems, but not every leftist ideology is the same. Calling all leftists Communists is as ignorant as calling all Christians "Catholic"
Yep! I've read the communist manifesto and all of das kapital. I really liked the first book of kapital, he assesses the problem correctly. But the rest is bullshit as he doesn't offer a workable solution. I've formally studied marx, engels, etc. so I have a pretty good feel for what is and isn't communism. There are a lot of flavors and offshoots of it.
Putin is a Eurasianist who really likes realpolitik. Not a communist. In that sense he was easier to stomach than western european leaders for a while. But he's not ideal.
Do you know the history of the green party? I can go dig up some sources!
Oh, I should add that I'm also an environmentalist. National socialists started the whole environmentalism and anti-animal cruelty thing, after all.
Sorry to assume, but it's so often the case that people throw the term "communist" around very loosely. I definitely have seen them as socialist, but I'm not sure I see the Communist connection. I have no doubt they have connections to Communists, but then again Republicans have connections with Libertarians. Its normal to have ties on each of the two supposed sides of the political spectrum. I really would be interested if there was evidence of something more overt in their ranks.
My main issue with the Green Party, or any of the prominent third party organizations is that they don't actually spend much time at the upper levels trying to get their grass roots people together unless they need them for something. How can they find out what they really need if they don't have local meetings in every town? Even if budget is an issue, just have local get-together days at a diner or something. Seems like all the solutions we keep getting offered are still essentially top-down management of what is supposed to be a democracy. That leaves people like me pretty lost politically because I believe things that are not really represented by the two-sided political spectrum we're taught to accept as a real thing.
For example: gun rights are really important in my opinion, but lots of Americans are also very concerned about guns and the very real issues that come with such rights. The bottom-line though is that one side wants to "compromise" until they win, and the other side doesn't want to compromise at all because there is no trust. Then there's groups like the NRA that LOVE this constant fight and use it as a rhetoric platform that is often more about endorsing Republicans than really developing solutions that make sense and that we can considered truly settled law. The Gun Owners of America is a much better group IMO, but that's a bit off-topic. Abortion is another issue where most Americans aren't extreme on the matter, but the extremists at both ends have truly made realistic solutions hard to find. As long as there are unwanted pregnancies, there will be people who want to end them. A kid is a huge commitment and people make mistakes or have no choice sometimes, but it's also a life and that's a fair point as well. Extremists are not going to resolve that issue, and it will just drag on forever. I'm also for a free-market economy, but I also see the value in protecting and even subsidizing certain markets(especially agriculture). I just want want "free-market" to apply to mom and pop shops as well as the big guys, and until there's a platform that really advances that, I call any claim they make about being "free-market" to be total bullshit.
I guess my main point here is that I am sick of extremists wrecking everything. Psychopaths, people of questionable character, and those foolish enough to follow them just make it really hard to really put Americans first. Power was supposed to be a tool wielded in service of the public, but Left or Right, whoever is in power seems to always put power above the the needs of everyday people. "Checks and balances" was a joke from the beginning and it has been under attack from day one as well. I think a lot of us would love something that is neither branded by Marx or the Koch Brothers.
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Sinsimel ago
How are we still thinking in sides? These sick bastards are all in this together. Think the ENTIRE gov't and world leaders.
cky_stew ago
Fuck knows. Every day someone on this sub blames shit on "the left". I support the green party, pretty left right? Does that make me a fucking pedo sympathiser and Hilary supporter? No, fuck off. It's not all black and white.
Those terms are so dividing, trying to make a complex matter simple and tribal. Drives me nuts when people use it.
dingomeat ago
Green party is a communist front, so that means you do support some pretty bad things.
cky_stew ago
You're completely missing the point I'm trying to make. Your comment is a prime example of what I'm talking about.
I'm not arguing about politics here, because it's fucking irrelevant.
dingomeat ago
It's pretty relevant when 94 million people died under communism in the 20th century alone.
LadyMinx ago
Why would ppl downvoat this comment?
cky_stew ago
Im discussing how politics are irrelevant in this sub, and people categorise others like fools.
You start talking about politics and categorising others. lel.
But I guess I'm responsible for 94 million deaths because of communism, cool. Shame your ancestors weren't included.
dingomeat ago
Typical commie.
AmishMechWarrior ago
Communism & Stalinism in particular are imperfect systems, but not every leftist ideology is the same. Calling all leftists Communists is as ignorant as calling all Christians "Catholic"
dingomeat ago
Green party is communist. I'm not misstating that.
AmishMechWarrior ago
Yes you are. You probably also think Putin is a communist right? Do you even know what Communism is? Seriously, have you ever read Marx?
dingomeat ago
Yep! I've read the communist manifesto and all of das kapital. I really liked the first book of kapital, he assesses the problem correctly. But the rest is bullshit as he doesn't offer a workable solution. I've formally studied marx, engels, etc. so I have a pretty good feel for what is and isn't communism. There are a lot of flavors and offshoots of it.
Putin is a Eurasianist who really likes realpolitik. Not a communist. In that sense he was easier to stomach than western european leaders for a while. But he's not ideal.
Do you know the history of the green party? I can go dig up some sources!
Oh, I should add that I'm also an environmentalist. National socialists started the whole environmentalism and anti-animal cruelty thing, after all.
AmishMechWarrior ago
Sorry to assume, but it's so often the case that people throw the term "communist" around very loosely. I definitely have seen them as socialist, but I'm not sure I see the Communist connection. I have no doubt they have connections to Communists, but then again Republicans have connections with Libertarians. Its normal to have ties on each of the two supposed sides of the political spectrum. I really would be interested if there was evidence of something more overt in their ranks.
My main issue with the Green Party, or any of the prominent third party organizations is that they don't actually spend much time at the upper levels trying to get their grass roots people together unless they need them for something. How can they find out what they really need if they don't have local meetings in every town? Even if budget is an issue, just have local get-together days at a diner or something. Seems like all the solutions we keep getting offered are still essentially top-down management of what is supposed to be a democracy. That leaves people like me pretty lost politically because I believe things that are not really represented by the two-sided political spectrum we're taught to accept as a real thing.
For example: gun rights are really important in my opinion, but lots of Americans are also very concerned about guns and the very real issues that come with such rights. The bottom-line though is that one side wants to "compromise" until they win, and the other side doesn't want to compromise at all because there is no trust. Then there's groups like the NRA that LOVE this constant fight and use it as a rhetoric platform that is often more about endorsing Republicans than really developing solutions that make sense and that we can considered truly settled law. The Gun Owners of America is a much better group IMO, but that's a bit off-topic. Abortion is another issue where most Americans aren't extreme on the matter, but the extremists at both ends have truly made realistic solutions hard to find. As long as there are unwanted pregnancies, there will be people who want to end them. A kid is a huge commitment and people make mistakes or have no choice sometimes, but it's also a life and that's a fair point as well. Extremists are not going to resolve that issue, and it will just drag on forever. I'm also for a free-market economy, but I also see the value in protecting and even subsidizing certain markets(especially agriculture). I just want want "free-market" to apply to mom and pop shops as well as the big guys, and until there's a platform that really advances that, I call any claim they make about being "free-market" to be total bullshit.
I guess my main point here is that I am sick of extremists wrecking everything. Psychopaths, people of questionable character, and those foolish enough to follow them just make it really hard to really put Americans first. Power was supposed to be a tool wielded in service of the public, but Left or Right, whoever is in power seems to always put power above the the needs of everyday people. "Checks and balances" was a joke from the beginning and it has been under attack from day one as well. I think a lot of us would love something that is neither branded by Marx or the Koch Brothers.