OK millenniumfalcon, this in no way breaks rule one, Subverse is flooded with shit again and you deleted a relevant post about popular media personality, saying that pizzagate isn't objective. I'm also making a comparison against a non objective conspiracy that the opposition is comparing us to. I'm very busy with a business to run and don't appreciate having to repost.
Are we trump apologists? Do pizzagate mold the narrative to fit the answer we want? That's a common claim made about conspiracy theories and theorists. This video with Stefan taking to a flat earth believer is a great example of the kind of flawed arguments conspiracy theorists are known and stereotyped for: https://youtu.be/hsOz_J6tJVUYouTube
Lionel talks about pizzagate in this vid twice past tense https://youtu.be/5GxPUAcGPv8YouTube
In a past profession I was a sort of professional contrarianistic skeptic involved in economics and markets and studied statistics, probabilities, fallacy, logic, reasoning, scientific methods of discovery, deduction, etc... As such I pride myself in keeping and open mind, being skeptical, not being duped, persuaded in my opinions, etc... This is much easier to do when you stick to more concrete and absolute matters with fewer variables. Making any sort prediction about any outcome Pizzagate related is akin to long range weather forecasting. There are just so many players with so much at stake. I am very distrustful of just about everyone involved. Just about the only thing I trust is the original emails. I believe they were genuine, Podesta has had plenty of opportunities to deny their credibility and he never has, which if they were tampered with he most certainly would have said so. I am very confident that what we think we're seeing here is what it is, these are bad people, doing bad things. I have no doubt about that. We're not immune to wishful thinking, like with the Worldcorpo stuff. We're mostly powerless to prove the case without access to more personal records and information. I don't know that this will ever be properly investigated. We just have to hope that someone will leak something. Or that we get a lucky break and are able to connect the dots. Just because we're not able to do that, doesn't mean that our 'suspicions' and hunches are unfounded. By that argument all unproven criminal cases should be dropped.
I don't know if we're going to get any help from Trump on this or not, this is just so big and deep. But I'm hopeful, and convinced, and not going to let anyone who doesn't really know anything about it get me down because the arguments being made here for the most part are not apologist our self fulfilling.
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Amyamy ago
Well said, and I agree. My hope goes up and down weekly and sometimes daily.
Most of us that are open to the possibility of pizzagate as a reality, seem to be above average in critical thinking and are wired to want to face reality and seek the truth even if it is uncomfortable. Regardless, probably for most of us it is a perspective to be mindful to keep in balance and look at each piece of evidence as its own before jumping to the most fitting conclusion.
I think the nature of this particular pizzagate ordeal is internally conflicting because on one hand the reality that the facts/clues lean towards is SO OUTRAGEOUS that it is hard to even grasp... while on the other hand the amount of "evidence" of pedogate and factual history of pedophilia in high societies/ governments is just there and there is no denying it- how could it be completely ignored? If the case were of a more believable/less severe crime, then we would be more easily able to use the evidence and form a solid case. The extremity of pedogate being so far from most people's normal reality, is used against us by naysayers /guilty people, and very easily.
Not quite, but almost reminds me of gaslighting... where the abuser (mainstream media and it's puppets and brainwashed) tells you that there is nothing to see behind the curtain, all the while you are seeing very well the disgusting monster that has flung the curtain open... you are crazy for seeing it. But they know it's there. At least if they are honest with themselves.
DavidBernheart ago
You know who gives me hope? Bill frikkin Cosby. He kept his roofy/rapey racket going for decades with quiet pay-offs, intimidation, and media manipulation. But in the end, the media landscape shifted beneath him, the internet roared to life, and it chewed him up. Now he's been reduced to pretending that he's too senile to understand what he's accused of.
Amyamy ago
So true. I personally believe the truth comes out sooner or later in most cases. Just hopefully it will be the full truth and before these assholes die off so that they can do some time in prison.
JustObserving ago
Hopefully sooner than later. Maybe hundred years from now people will talk about the "Second Middle Ages" before humanity started to work in a more harmonious way again.