You may well be right. I'm reserving judgment. These coming days will show what he's really like. It will also show if he had an agenda. If he was involved in child abuse, it could be it was Breitbart's way of dealing with the situation and getting rid of him. They don't want him getting wind of what they're doing, and they couldn't fire him under normal circumstances because of his cult following. This was the perfect storm to send him on his way. Of course, that's only one way of looking at it. I really don't know. It could be he was involved in the older man/younger teen syndrome because of his early abuse. It's illegal, but not the same as cannibal predators who routinely groom, ravage, and molest children. I'm not saying the former is right, I'm just saying it's not the same. We're looking for people that groom and target and victimize. And the proof that even this notion of a beneficial older man/younger teen alliance is blown out of the water by Milo's own distortion of what rape is. The child is not driving the car. Is not. Never ever. It's just his way of dealing with the victimization and the lies told to him. There's a backstory to this that I'm not saying. Someone I met that espouses the same views. She's not a predator, she's a victim and, yet, she holds this peculiar view about children being the provocateurs and controlling the situation. It was just her way of coping for the years of abuse she suffered.
I agree with this and wrote a long post kinda at the end of this thread...did you see it? I'm trying to explore this very issue in a rational way without the usual emotion because I have a real problem with the willy-nilly use of the term pedophile. It's kinda like calling everybody Hitler, and dilutes the evil that those words should rightfully convey.
And the importance is that an adult who engages in sexual relations with a post-pubescent minor should be either jailed, put on probation or maybe counseling depending upon the situation, but I believe they can be reformed.
But an adult who seeks out sexual relationships with pre-pubescent children should either be imprisoned for life or receive the death penalty, because the statistics support that the true pedophiles cannot be reformed.
No, I don't think I saw it. I agree with the lumping of all cases together. There should be some kind of degrees of pedophilia, in a similar manner to murder. I don't think a twenty-year-old who meets a seventeen-year-old and engages in a sexual relationship is the same as a predator who deliberately seeks out children by volunteering for an afterschool program (or similar activity) so they can groom a child and terrorize/coerce them before they molest them to be the same. It's not the same thing. I'd have to do more reading and statistical analysis before I broke it up the way you did. Didn't Sandusky target post-pubescent children? If so, the model you propose falls apart. If anyone should have been imprisoned for life/sterilized/duct taped, it would have been that asshole. And I agree with the analogy you used. Not everyone that does something bad is Hitler. But we really need to rid the world of these large, concerted cabals that prey on children. Anyone involved in a group like this should be given a life sentence without the possibility of parole. I don't care what they actually did. They helped perpetuate a monster.
Like I said I am working on it...this is an emotional and difficult issue and there are so many variables...I agree that Sandusky is an evil monster and he deserved the death penalty, and his preferred target age was 8-12 (pre-pubescent), therefore, pedophile by definition. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Sandusky I am thinking "statutory rapist" would be a good term for someone who has sex with a post-pubescent minor.
Well, I guess my point is that there should also be some division into this being a one-time occurrence and someone that is perniciously, relentlessly, and willfully targeting young sexual partners. Or anyone working within a human trafficking cabal. I would think there should be more severe charges for that.
Agree totally when it comes to statutory rape that there could be extenuating circumstances...like a 20 year old hooks up with 16 year old that lied about her age. That happens all the time and I feel sorry for those guys. Or how about some hot looking teen seduces an older man...that happens all the time too....as I mentioned in my longer post it is totally normal in a biologic sense to think she looks good naked. What makes it wrong is that the adult should know better because that 16 year old is not emotionally or mentally mature enough to consent to that relationship.
And that bring us to the pure evil that is a pedophile....there is nothing sexual about a child...and those who become aroused around a small child are just evil plain and simple. If there is irrefutable evidence of an adult raping a small child or engaging in human trafficking...I say life in prison..those people can't be rehabilitated IMO.
You would be surprised how much this occurs, especially if there has been sexual abuse in the home..remember, sexually acting out inappropriately is one of the ways that prior sexual abuse can manifest....again, not condoning it in any way shape or form, but it does happen. And yes, the adult male bears the blame and it should not be excused....however; I don't think life in prison is the appropriate punishment for this one.
No, other way around, think Courtney Stodden, child in an adults body...but I'll keep working on it and create separate thread when I'm done...important IMO that we define this in a way that we can all rationally discuss and digest, because we are likely to soon see some truly horrific stuff...
You've bought the excuse hook, line, and sinker. You know what? If these "adults" are children, then take away their driver's licenses, credit cards, voting rights, the ability to sign contracts, get married, and anything else to do with being an adult. I don't see any of them doing that, do you? Nope! They run pizza shops, play the fool, and have instagram accounts where they say vulgar things to impress vulgar friends. Let's strip them of everything and then we'll see who really is a child and who just wants to pretend to be one so they can indulge in criminal behavior. Whatever.
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BowDownB4Trump ago
Milo is so much bigger than breitbart. He is a one man army. Thats why they went after him so hard. He destroyed idenity politics.
quantokitty ago
You may well be right. I'm reserving judgment. These coming days will show what he's really like. It will also show if he had an agenda. If he was involved in child abuse, it could be it was Breitbart's way of dealing with the situation and getting rid of him. They don't want him getting wind of what they're doing, and they couldn't fire him under normal circumstances because of his cult following. This was the perfect storm to send him on his way. Of course, that's only one way of looking at it. I really don't know. It could be he was involved in the older man/younger teen syndrome because of his early abuse. It's illegal, but not the same as cannibal predators who routinely groom, ravage, and molest children. I'm not saying the former is right, I'm just saying it's not the same. We're looking for people that groom and target and victimize. And the proof that even this notion of a beneficial older man/younger teen alliance is blown out of the water by Milo's own distortion of what rape is. The child is not driving the car. Is not. Never ever. It's just his way of dealing with the victimization and the lies told to him. There's a backstory to this that I'm not saying. Someone I met that espouses the same views. She's not a predator, she's a victim and, yet, she holds this peculiar view about children being the provocateurs and controlling the situation. It was just her way of coping for the years of abuse she suffered.
witch_doctor1 ago
I agree with this and wrote a long post kinda at the end of this thread...did you see it? I'm trying to explore this very issue in a rational way without the usual emotion because I have a real problem with the willy-nilly use of the term pedophile. It's kinda like calling everybody Hitler, and dilutes the evil that those words should rightfully convey.
And the importance is that an adult who engages in sexual relations with a post-pubescent minor should be either jailed, put on probation or maybe counseling depending upon the situation, but I believe they can be reformed.
But an adult who seeks out sexual relationships with pre-pubescent children should either be imprisoned for life or receive the death penalty, because the statistics support that the true pedophiles cannot be reformed.
quantokitty ago
No, I don't think I saw it. I agree with the lumping of all cases together. There should be some kind of degrees of pedophilia, in a similar manner to murder. I don't think a twenty-year-old who meets a seventeen-year-old and engages in a sexual relationship is the same as a predator who deliberately seeks out children by volunteering for an afterschool program (or similar activity) so they can groom a child and terrorize/coerce them before they molest them to be the same. It's not the same thing. I'd have to do more reading and statistical analysis before I broke it up the way you did. Didn't Sandusky target post-pubescent children? If so, the model you propose falls apart. If anyone should have been imprisoned for life/sterilized/duct taped, it would have been that asshole. And I agree with the analogy you used. Not everyone that does something bad is Hitler. But we really need to rid the world of these large, concerted cabals that prey on children. Anyone involved in a group like this should be given a life sentence without the possibility of parole. I don't care what they actually did. They helped perpetuate a monster.
witch_doctor1 ago
Like I said I am working on it...this is an emotional and difficult issue and there are so many variables...I agree that Sandusky is an evil monster and he deserved the death penalty, and his preferred target age was 8-12 (pre-pubescent), therefore, pedophile by definition. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jerry_Sandusky I am thinking "statutory rapist" would be a good term for someone who has sex with a post-pubescent minor.
quantokitty ago
Well, I guess my point is that there should also be some division into this being a one-time occurrence and someone that is perniciously, relentlessly, and willfully targeting young sexual partners. Or anyone working within a human trafficking cabal. I would think there should be more severe charges for that.
witch_doctor1 ago
Agree totally when it comes to statutory rape that there could be extenuating circumstances...like a 20 year old hooks up with 16 year old that lied about her age. That happens all the time and I feel sorry for those guys. Or how about some hot looking teen seduces an older man...that happens all the time too....as I mentioned in my longer post it is totally normal in a biologic sense to think she looks good naked. What makes it wrong is that the adult should know better because that 16 year old is not emotionally or mentally mature enough to consent to that relationship.
And that bring us to the pure evil that is a pedophile....there is nothing sexual about a child...and those who become aroused around a small child are just evil plain and simple. If there is irrefutable evidence of an adult raping a small child or engaging in human trafficking...I say life in prison..those people can't be rehabilitated IMO.
quantokitty ago
No, no, no. This doesn't happen all the time and we're not on the same page here.
witch_doctor1 ago
You would be surprised how much this occurs, especially if there has been sexual abuse in the home..remember, sexually acting out inappropriately is one of the ways that prior sexual abuse can manifest....again, not condoning it in any way shape or form, but it does happen. And yes, the adult male bears the blame and it should not be excused....however; I don't think life in prison is the appropriate punishment for this one.
quantokitty ago
I do. And a child acting out is that -- a child acting out -- emphasis on "child".
witch_doctor1 ago
Yes, just sometimes in an adult body...couple that with an adult that does not seek out age appropriate relationships, and then you have problems.
quantokitty ago
No, a child in a forty-year-old body isn't going to cut it. You've lost me.
witch_doctor1 ago
No, other way around, think Courtney Stodden, child in an adults body...but I'll keep working on it and create separate thread when I'm done...important IMO that we define this in a way that we can all rationally discuss and digest, because we are likely to soon see some truly horrific stuff...
quantokitty ago
You've bought the excuse hook, line, and sinker. You know what? If these "adults" are children, then take away their driver's licenses, credit cards, voting rights, the ability to sign contracts, get married, and anything else to do with being an adult. I don't see any of them doing that, do you? Nope! They run pizza shops, play the fool, and have instagram accounts where they say vulgar things to impress vulgar friends. Let's strip them of everything and then we'll see who really is a child and who just wants to pretend to be one so they can indulge in criminal behavior. Whatever.
witch_doctor1 ago
I wasn't saying that, I think you misunderstood me...