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atheist4thecause ago

I'm at a point where I gave them last week. I was even willing to push it back from mid-week to the end of the week. None of the high-profile arrests promised happened. I'm not calling anybody a liar, but I can't afford to wait for things to happen anymore. None of us can. We need to start being skeptical of all of this stuff and send a message that even Pizzagate investigators are waiting until the arrests actually happen. It's not good enough to dangle a carrot any longer.

roundhouse1776 ago

That's the problem with being an atheist, you don't understand the concept of faith.

atheist4thecause ago

1) Atheists do understand the concept of faith, we just don't rely on it (in the religious sense).

2) #Pizzagate is an investigative movement based on evidence, not a religious movement based on faith.

bopper ago

Do atheists believe in evolution, or is that a 'false dichotomy'? How did we 'get here'? What's the difference between an atheist and an agnostic? Is science a religion? (Just curious about the way everybody thinks.)

GeorgeT ago

Atheism is another form of religion. I believe in metaphysics.

rail606 ago

Understanding religion will help to make sense of why this is happening. But it is not required to investigate. It just makes a hell of a lot more sense why its happening if you read the kabbalah.

atheist4thecause ago

Why do you think an atheist can't "understand religion"? I grew up in a Catholic household for crying out loud. I went through every year of CCD but one. I was baptized, went through 1st communion, had godparents, and was witness to a wedding in a Catholic church. I've read at least parts of many holy books, including many different versions of the Bible, the Tao Te Ching, the Qur'an, etc. Heck, I've even said the rosary as well as prayers, sung hymns, been a part of masses, went to mass on a weekly basis, etc.

bopper ago

Sounds like you've been "scarlet and purple" pilled :) Organized religion is a mess.

duhiki ago

imho, it's ignorant to think atheists aren't familiar with the various nooks of religion; more often than not atheists grew up in a religious home or were religious themselves before embracing critical thinking and atheism(not that they hold a monopoly on critical thinking; it's just that the best way to debunk the Bible is to use all the inconsistencies in the Bible) ..

That said, this investigation may have religious elements, but those elements can also be explained as part of the CIA and their hard ons for MK Ultra; religion has been used for eons to control people. Children raised in religious homes can be compelled to do fucked up shit out of fear of going to Hell. Show religious kids Hell on Earth through torture, and they'll do whatever it takes to survive.

rail606 ago

Reading the bible will not tell you why this is happening. You must read some books on ceremonial magik. The bible has rituals in it but it doesn't really explain what you are doing. Got to read some more specific stuff. Not many people have read the Torah or Kabbalah. Let alone the Talmud.

duhiki ago

People can do those rituals, doesn't mean they are literally invoking very real demons. One can look at rituals from the Assyrians and even the Brahman priests in southern India (which is an older civilization when compared to those in the Middle East) ... they can do the same rituals for ten thousands years, doesn't mean that the beings they invoke are literal beings and not mere archetypes.

I own books on ceremonial magick. I served in a pagan circle for a handful of years as a priestess (we were the cuddlier type of pagan, following the Wiccan Rede; "and if it harm none, do what thou will.") so I feel I'm somewhat knowledgeable on the subject.

The History of Magic and the Occult by Kurt Seligmann is one of my favorites. The first line of the foreword goes:

"I don't want realism," cries Blanche DuBois in Tennessee Williams's A Streetcar Named Desire, "I want magic." As Kurt Seligmann makes brilliantly clear in The History of Magic and the Occult, his authoritative study of the supernatural arts, she is not alone in that desire. Since earliest recorded time men and women have struggled to make magic-- that most elusive and inexplicable wonder-- in an attempt to control and make sense of their world and themselves.

At it's heart, magic is about control; nature, animals, events, people. Those associated with the Moloch worship are seeking control. To them, the ritualized actions give them power. They aren't in power because of their actions, per se, but because those who have the power to stop them choose to enable them instead, because it makes them money. I have come to this conclusion due to reading The Franklin Cover-Up where John DeCamp talks about the ritualized abuse of those kids, and then Trance Formation of America by Cathy O'Brien, where she talks about the CIA using religion as a means of psychological torture; the murder of babies by children as a means to break that child's psyche for training. The rituals, to me, are like a horrible play/snuff film directed by the CIA. They get politicians to participate as "actors" to help torture/train some of these kids; politicians get little career boosts for being part of the super-secret club, the CIA gets child porn they can sell, and children they can sell/trade/dispose of like they are the fucking Lalauries of New Orleans while making buddies overseas by gifting them with abused children.

Here's the chapter on The Hebrews from The History of Magic and the Occult:

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I suppose to sum up my views, is that there may be some who practice this brand of evil for esoteric reasons, but I think the majority who partake do so at the CIA's behest, because they are sadists, get off on power trips, and enjoy torturing children. They engage in it because they can afford to do so and is a symbol of status for those in the know. That they will pass whatever legislation CIA whispers into their ear for dicking other countries because if they don't comply with their masters, they get outed and career ended, maybe even imprisoned due to the blackmail the CIA curated on them. That if they go along and don't rock the boat, they'll make some cash. Moloch is an excuse to commit these crimes against humanity because at their heart, power and greed are their true gods.