It's not 'no true Scotsman.' NTS applies to illogical segmentation: a Scotsman is such by birth and the only certain logical segments are those which would apply to all Scotsmen. For example, 'no true Scotsman is Spanish' is a logical statement whereas 'no true Scotsman likes tapas' is not. But the claim that no credible Pizzagate researcher believes that Hillary is the ringleader is not a no true Scotsman fallacy at all. To the contrary, it is merely stating that such a claim is not credible and therefore anyone making the claim is not credible. To further illustrate, 'no true Yankees fan supports the Red Sox,' 'no true man of peace supports genocide,' or 'no credible researcher believes Bigfoot shot JFK' are also not NTS fallacies.
This is off-topic, but it's a pet peeve when people who don't know what they're talking about toss around logical fallacy claims.
@AreWeSure is frankly way too smart for CTR. I don't quite understand AWS's angle- Contrarian asshole? Keeping us on our toes? I give them the benefit of doubt... AWS, do you hate our cause? Or desperately try to make us perfect so our cause is successful? Do you hunt red herrings, mistakes, logical fallacies, and whatnot, to try to polish the accusations, or because you really are a pedo protector?
...And, what did I do wrong in my comment, I'm dying to know.
You should read up on the No "True" Scotsman fallacy.
As for me, I think there's no foundation to this investigation. I think the key evidence at the heart doesn't mean what people say it means and it only resonates among people who have long standing and deeply held conspiratorial beliefs.
I think it's funny that you wonder if I'm "a pedo protector" because I don't think this board is actually accomplishing anything against real pedophiles. And that it won't do that because people are too wrapped in their prior beliefs to actually focus this energy. They rather believe Marina Abramović is a Witch or Satanist and any one who responds to her work must be a cult member. Or that Louise Bourgeois is connected to Jeffrey Dahmer. I think this is investigation is part and parcel or several other irrational trends going on.
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truthstrangerthanfic ago
unlike the CRACKED piece from the other day, this one has my favorite strawman:
"...the Washington pizza shop Comet Ping Pong was headquarters for a child-abuse ring run by Hillary Clinton."
no credible person looking into pizzagate has ever claimed that Clinton or Podesta is the ringleader of anything.
AreWeSure ago
you just made a no true scotsman argument.
DryMartini ago
It's not 'no true Scotsman.' NTS applies to illogical segmentation: a Scotsman is such by birth and the only certain logical segments are those which would apply to all Scotsmen. For example, 'no true Scotsman is Spanish' is a logical statement whereas 'no true Scotsman likes tapas' is not. But the claim that no credible Pizzagate researcher believes that Hillary is the ringleader is not a no true Scotsman fallacy at all. To the contrary, it is merely stating that such a claim is not credible and therefore anyone making the claim is not credible. To further illustrate, 'no true Yankees fan supports the Red Sox,' 'no true man of peace supports genocide,' or 'no credible researcher believes Bigfoot shot JFK' are also not NTS fallacies.
This is off-topic, but it's a pet peeve when people who don't know what they're talking about toss around logical fallacy claims.
reasonedandinformed ago
AreWeSure is known CTR shill.
waxdino ago
@AreWeSure is frankly way too smart for CTR. I don't quite understand AWS's angle- Contrarian asshole? Keeping us on our toes? I give them the benefit of doubt... AWS, do you hate our cause? Or desperately try to make us perfect so our cause is successful? Do you hunt red herrings, mistakes, logical fallacies, and whatnot, to try to polish the accusations, or because you really are a pedo protector?
...And, what did I do wrong in my comment, I'm dying to know.
AreWeSure ago
You should read up on the No "True" Scotsman fallacy.
As for me, I think there's no foundation to this investigation. I think the key evidence at the heart doesn't mean what people say it means and it only resonates among people who have long standing and deeply held conspiratorial beliefs.
I think it's funny that you wonder if I'm "a pedo protector" because I don't think this board is actually accomplishing anything against real pedophiles. And that it won't do that because people are too wrapped in their prior beliefs to actually focus this energy. They rather believe Marina Abramović is a Witch or Satanist and any one who responds to her work must be a cult member. Or that Louise Bourgeois is connected to Jeffrey Dahmer. I think this is investigation is part and parcel or several other irrational trends going on.
stellarcorpse ago
Explain these codes to me Sir. (in the Podesta emails) What are they drug dealers? I'm waiting...
http://www.thedailysheeple.com/the-disturbing-disgusting-pedophile-code-hidden-in-the-john-podesta-emails_112016
AreWeSure ago
The idea that they are codes is giant bit of speculation. Not proven.