There should be a special department created for oversight of the CPS. And the oversight committee should have the power to hold the people or employees responsible for allowing such things to happen to be held accountable.
And then do what when kids continue to be raped and beaten severely by their parents? I agree the system is shit and needs something done to it, but there are sick and awful people in the world who become parents.
Humbly and gratefully, I had opportunities of professionally seeing the inside of social work systems (sorry, rehabilitated of course, yet my ONLY work with families [of disabled persons, our programs' client "participants"... or "consumers"] was in asking why they had given up their advocacy power to those they deemed as "experts," and then later helping a disabled mom as an LE officer, to hold her child under our squad's emergency blanket after a wintertime accident), LE, and state appellate court. And humbly, while realizing the common positions of the front line, I disagree. I hold to my position that LE is expertly trained to identify and document criminal activities to a standard of proving such activities in court.
The few CPS agents I have had the opportunity to speak with, upon a few months' followup after our conversation(s), had ended up quitting their position. Humbly suggesting... you, iPleadThe2nd, sound knowledgeable. How did you last for 8 years in CPS? And just out of curiosity if you feel like answering, why is your status of CPS agent framed as being in the past (I mean, to ask hopefully not too boldly, did you quit... and why)?
I quit because I wanted to just be a mom. I stayed so long because of amazing co workers and really liking the actual work with clients. Despite all of the negative attitudes of CPS, my experience with clients was mostly positive. The clients are in shitty situations but I always found if you treat someone with honesty and respect, you will get that back. I had great working relationships with probably 9/10 of the clients I had. I often tell others that some of the best parents I know of were my former clients. I met a lot of great people who just needed help to get their lives on the track that they wanted it to be on. Most people don't want to be shooting drugs with their little kids watching, but that's all they know and they don't know how to stop.
The beauracracy there is terrible and made the job harder than it needed to be. In any type of large, over bloated government system there are the high ups who sit in offices all day and demand things from the lowliest that either are unnecessary or wasteful, such as unnecessary paperwork or documenting when you used a printer (I'm not joking). I'm not sure if it's because they want to feel like they like they are in charge or because they want to justify their high salary job. Whatever the reason, the "great ideas" from out of touch people who sit in offices all day makes he job difficult. I love law enforcement and in addition to working with them for so long I have many officers in my family and close circle of friends. They are all wonderful people, but they relay stories of other officers performance that are worrisome, but seem to be common in different departments within the area that I live. They often will lose evidence in cases including drugs and bloody weapons. These items will later be recovered, sometimes in their own patrol cars, but if that evidence is ever needed in court, there's a big problem with how they are going to explain that the chain of custody was followed correctly. So many times they just rely on self incrimination or plea bargain here instead of moving forward with having to prove their case with a trial. That is all I was saying, it's not a hit against LE, it's the way the cases are handled where I'm from.
Thank you for your thoughtful response! I thought of a longer response too, but the whole thing is a bit scary, as too many children are missing from CPS placements. Clearly, you're in here concerned about PG with everyone else. Although you lasted a long time there, your prior agency lost yet another good person when you left. No crying for the past though; I imagine once you would have moved up into admin, you would have seen more about agency strategy around necessary funding sustainability. And then, my guess is that you would have been preferring to supervise your subordinates documenting use of the printer to anything else; it's much more palatable to the alternative... program sustainability management thoughts. Everyone needs to be able to live with themselves and what they do for a living. So, you very likely have a brighter life now; best wishes!
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YingYangMom ago
There should be a special department created for oversight of the CPS. And the oversight committee should have the power to hold the people or employees responsible for allowing such things to happen to be held accountable.
eyeVoated ago
No. We need to get rid of CPS
IPleadThe2nd ago
And then do what when kids continue to be raped and beaten severely by their parents? I agree the system is shit and needs something done to it, but there are sick and awful people in the world who become parents.
QuietJustice ago
Sorry, but do you not realize how very well trained LE is to identify, document, and prove criminal activities in court?
IPleadThe2nd ago
Actually I do, and they suck at it to be honest. that's why the prosecutors rely so heavily on plea bargains.
QuietJustice ago
Humbly and gratefully, I had opportunities of professionally seeing the inside of social work systems (sorry, rehabilitated of course, yet my ONLY work with families [of disabled persons, our programs' client "participants"... or "consumers"] was in asking why they had given up their advocacy power to those they deemed as "experts," and then later helping a disabled mom as an LE officer, to hold her child under our squad's emergency blanket after a wintertime accident), LE, and state appellate court. And humbly, while realizing the common positions of the front line, I disagree. I hold to my position that LE is expertly trained to identify and document criminal activities to a standard of proving such activities in court.
The few CPS agents I have had the opportunity to speak with, upon a few months' followup after our conversation(s), had ended up quitting their position. Humbly suggesting... you, iPleadThe2nd, sound knowledgeable. How did you last for 8 years in CPS? And just out of curiosity if you feel like answering, why is your status of CPS agent framed as being in the past (I mean, to ask hopefully not too boldly, did you quit... and why)?
IPleadThe2nd ago
I quit because I wanted to just be a mom. I stayed so long because of amazing co workers and really liking the actual work with clients. Despite all of the negative attitudes of CPS, my experience with clients was mostly positive. The clients are in shitty situations but I always found if you treat someone with honesty and respect, you will get that back. I had great working relationships with probably 9/10 of the clients I had. I often tell others that some of the best parents I know of were my former clients. I met a lot of great people who just needed help to get their lives on the track that they wanted it to be on. Most people don't want to be shooting drugs with their little kids watching, but that's all they know and they don't know how to stop.
The beauracracy there is terrible and made the job harder than it needed to be. In any type of large, over bloated government system there are the high ups who sit in offices all day and demand things from the lowliest that either are unnecessary or wasteful, such as unnecessary paperwork or documenting when you used a printer (I'm not joking). I'm not sure if it's because they want to feel like they like they are in charge or because they want to justify their high salary job. Whatever the reason, the "great ideas" from out of touch people who sit in offices all day makes he job difficult. I love law enforcement and in addition to working with them for so long I have many officers in my family and close circle of friends. They are all wonderful people, but they relay stories of other officers performance that are worrisome, but seem to be common in different departments within the area that I live. They often will lose evidence in cases including drugs and bloody weapons. These items will later be recovered, sometimes in their own patrol cars, but if that evidence is ever needed in court, there's a big problem with how they are going to explain that the chain of custody was followed correctly. So many times they just rely on self incrimination or plea bargain here instead of moving forward with having to prove their case with a trial. That is all I was saying, it's not a hit against LE, it's the way the cases are handled where I'm from.
QuietJustice ago
Thank you for your thoughtful response! I thought of a longer response too, but the whole thing is a bit scary, as too many children are missing from CPS placements. Clearly, you're in here concerned about PG with everyone else. Although you lasted a long time there, your prior agency lost yet another good person when you left. No crying for the past though; I imagine once you would have moved up into admin, you would have seen more about agency strategy around necessary funding sustainability. And then, my guess is that you would have been preferring to supervise your subordinates documenting use of the printer to anything else; it's much more palatable to the alternative... program sustainability management thoughts. Everyone needs to be able to live with themselves and what they do for a living. So, you very likely have a brighter life now; best wishes!