I was thinking about this today after I told my dad about pizzagate and he just said it was "fake news." Broke my heart. I think we need a meme that plants doubt in the minds of unbelievers. I get it, it's a hard pill to swallow. I'm no good at actually making memes, but I was thinking of perhaps having a picture of the pope accompanied by the words, "#pizzagate is as fake as pedophilia in catholicism...oh wait." Also since the pope said it was fake we should play off that, so we should have a pic of the pope with words like "#pizzagate is fake says the man who protects pedo's" or something to that effect. THOUGHTS?
When I talk to people I only discuss people like Dennis Hastert (Speaker of The House 1999-2007), Jeffrey Epstein (Very spicy, new charges have been filed against him beyond the initial 43), Jerry Sandusky (Caught raping a 10 yr old), the federal judge who is against Trump's travel ban and his connection to the youth support group that was shut down when someone raped kids, people with actual proven charges or very suspicious connections.
I then relate how John and Tony Podesta are connected to Dennis Hastert by showing the email about his arrest and how they are casually still friends saying he should run off to a hidden island in Japan. I then show them the Podesta's art, Madelaine Mccann's date of disappearance (May 3 2007), and the date that John Podesta deleted all his emails (May 5th 2007). Then I show them the police sketches and say even if it wasn't them I have a right to be suspicious.
Move on to Epstein and how Bill and Hillary are deeply connected and show them flight logs. I show them that Trump flew on it 1-3 times but banned Epstein shortly after. It's important to get Trump out of the way here. This and the grab them by the pussy is the only real questionable thing that is on record and neither means anything IMO. he flew around with Epstein, decided he was a disgusting piece of shit and banned him from his clubs.
Usually I then tell them how the US is the country with the biggest problem with human trafficking, show them all the arrests that have been happening, and then show them the chat logs from the Freedomhost II leak that just came out. Show them that it is very very real. Nobody can ignore that the Freedom host dump is fake when you show them the investigation going on and the people's profiles.
And then I say: "I don't even care if any of these connections are true, that doesn't make me believe it or disbelieve it but if 9 of my friends are international drug smugglers I think you would have a right to place me under scrutiny if there was a major drug trafficking problem going on just based on the evidence of my connections." I am not a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist, I am simply not going to ignore this. I will keep my eyes open for more connections.
I also don't give Trump any bias support. I had a friend argue with me that his locker room talk in 2005 made them think he was a pig so I played Hillary's interview from around 1980 about winning the rape case of that 12 year old girl and I asked my friend, can people change or does this define both of them as a person? I am ultimately not concerned if someone is mysoginistic but I do think the casual dismissal of defending a pedophile rapist when even you don't believe they're telling the truth is fucking suspicious. I've also had similar conversations with my guy friends and women have plenty of "my boyfriends penis" conversations.
If this gets traction I'll dig up links, I have a feeling most of us here can quickly run someone through what's been going on via google/duckduckgo, I think the trick is not to paint it as a vast conspiracy but simply something that reeks to the high heavens and has every right to be investigated by the government. It should also be all over the fucking press
Also I point out that Pizzagate itself was what the press latched on to as a way to wash it all under the rug. "Oh no, this isn't about that pizza place at all, that was just the news trying to make it seem like a crazy conspiracy theory."
You can also mention that in the 80's there was the White House call boy scandal. Tom Brokaw covered it (shittily, I might add. Failed to mention the call boys were 13-15 and flown in from the midwest; the case focused on those buying "services" of the call boys using credit cards to do so, and ignoring the fact those kids were trafficked) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTitnDgw3Gc&t=9s
Helps set a historical precedent for the covering up of child sex trafficking.
I appreciate you adding to the discussion but I can't use youtube videos on the first pass, takes too long and usually don't have a direct source link I can simply show without a shadow of a doubt as a connection. I'll check it out in a bit but if it's a news story and not a record of a criminal charge it won't stick.
What I'm trying to do in a lawyerly way is simply prove the connection exists / we have a right to be suspicious and inquire more. Let them make their minds up if we have a right to doubt the narrative that "pizza parlors aren't pedophile havens, there's more to this than what I saw on the news"
Eh, if they are of a certain age you can phrase it such as, "Do you remember the White House call boy scandal? No? It broke around the same time Ollie North was getting in trouble for the Iran Contras. Funny, the Iran Contras helped deflect from the Franklin cover-up, which ties into the call boy scandal."
I'm pretty convinced that pizzagate is Franklin Cover Up 2.0.
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unrealisthenewreal ago
I was thinking about this today after I told my dad about pizzagate and he just said it was "fake news." Broke my heart. I think we need a meme that plants doubt in the minds of unbelievers. I get it, it's a hard pill to swallow. I'm no good at actually making memes, but I was thinking of perhaps having a picture of the pope accompanied by the words, "#pizzagate is as fake as pedophilia in catholicism...oh wait." Also since the pope said it was fake we should play off that, so we should have a pic of the pope with words like "#pizzagate is fake says the man who protects pedo's" or something to that effect. THOUGHTS?
Not_A_Large_Duck ago
When I talk to people I only discuss people like Dennis Hastert (Speaker of The House 1999-2007), Jeffrey Epstein (Very spicy, new charges have been filed against him beyond the initial 43), Jerry Sandusky (Caught raping a 10 yr old), the federal judge who is against Trump's travel ban and his connection to the youth support group that was shut down when someone raped kids, people with actual proven charges or very suspicious connections.
I then relate how John and Tony Podesta are connected to Dennis Hastert by showing the email about his arrest and how they are casually still friends saying he should run off to a hidden island in Japan. I then show them the Podesta's art, Madelaine Mccann's date of disappearance (May 3 2007), and the date that John Podesta deleted all his emails (May 5th 2007). Then I show them the police sketches and say even if it wasn't them I have a right to be suspicious.
Move on to Epstein and how Bill and Hillary are deeply connected and show them flight logs. I show them that Trump flew on it 1-3 times but banned Epstein shortly after. It's important to get Trump out of the way here. This and the grab them by the pussy is the only real questionable thing that is on record and neither means anything IMO. he flew around with Epstein, decided he was a disgusting piece of shit and banned him from his clubs.
Usually I then tell them how the US is the country with the biggest problem with human trafficking, show them all the arrests that have been happening, and then show them the chat logs from the Freedomhost II leak that just came out. Show them that it is very very real. Nobody can ignore that the Freedom host dump is fake when you show them the investigation going on and the people's profiles.
And then I say: "I don't even care if any of these connections are true, that doesn't make me believe it or disbelieve it but if 9 of my friends are international drug smugglers I think you would have a right to place me under scrutiny if there was a major drug trafficking problem going on just based on the evidence of my connections." I am not a tinfoil hat wearing conspiracy theorist, I am simply not going to ignore this. I will keep my eyes open for more connections.
I also don't give Trump any bias support. I had a friend argue with me that his locker room talk in 2005 made them think he was a pig so I played Hillary's interview from around 1980 about winning the rape case of that 12 year old girl and I asked my friend, can people change or does this define both of them as a person? I am ultimately not concerned if someone is mysoginistic but I do think the casual dismissal of defending a pedophile rapist when even you don't believe they're telling the truth is fucking suspicious. I've also had similar conversations with my guy friends and women have plenty of "my boyfriends penis" conversations.
If this gets traction I'll dig up links, I have a feeling most of us here can quickly run someone through what's been going on via google/duckduckgo, I think the trick is not to paint it as a vast conspiracy but simply something that reeks to the high heavens and has every right to be investigated by the government. It should also be all over the fucking press
Also I point out that Pizzagate itself was what the press latched on to as a way to wash it all under the rug. "Oh no, this isn't about that pizza place at all, that was just the news trying to make it seem like a crazy conspiracy theory."
duhiki ago
You can also mention that in the 80's there was the White House call boy scandal. Tom Brokaw covered it (shittily, I might add. Failed to mention the call boys were 13-15 and flown in from the midwest; the case focused on those buying "services" of the call boys using credit cards to do so, and ignoring the fact those kids were trafficked) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GTitnDgw3Gc&t=9s
Helps set a historical precedent for the covering up of child sex trafficking.
Not_A_Large_Duck ago
I appreciate you adding to the discussion but I can't use youtube videos on the first pass, takes too long and usually don't have a direct source link I can simply show without a shadow of a doubt as a connection. I'll check it out in a bit but if it's a news story and not a record of a criminal charge it won't stick.
What I'm trying to do in a lawyerly way is simply prove the connection exists / we have a right to be suspicious and inquire more. Let them make their minds up if we have a right to doubt the narrative that "pizza parlors aren't pedophile havens, there's more to this than what I saw on the news"
duhiki ago
Eh, if they are of a certain age you can phrase it such as, "Do you remember the White House call boy scandal? No? It broke around the same time Ollie North was getting in trouble for the Iran Contras. Funny, the Iran Contras helped deflect from the Franklin cover-up, which ties into the call boy scandal."
I'm pretty convinced that pizzagate is Franklin Cover Up 2.0.