Philly-area child rapist arrested, 'kept articles of clothing as trophies' i.e. handkerchiefs w/ pizza-rel. maps (pizzagate)

submitted ago by psmith85

http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/real-time/Bucks-County-suspected-serial-child-rapist-arrested.html

'For as long as 40 years, officials said, handyman William Charles Thomas stalked and groomed his child victims, raped them, collected articles of clothing as trophies, and sometimes wrote graphic details on pieces of plywood that he used in renovating trailer homes.'

Let's take this back to the most notorious Podesta email.

Pizza = pussy & penis / dick / ass / head. Not 'girl,' not sex organs or orifices in the physical sense. But the engaging with those things i.e. the receiving or the penetrating, usually in a controlling, coercive, or semi-coercive way i.e. with trafficked individuals or prostitutes. If you want to tie it to the pelvic triangle, men have something a pelvic triangle (at least as pubic zone) when seated too (obviously with a penis at bottom of it), and the social media evidence fully confirms pizza does not only relate to females.

Map = mark/stain of semen, blood, menstrual fluid, etc. Given that those in question are into S&M child sex, it probably involves blood. The stain is basically a map of the encounter. It's not just a random codeword choice. (remember the band Sex Stains)

Handkerchief = not entirely certain, but probably just means thing [related to CP / deviant sex].

Black-and-white [handkerchief] means S&M sex w/ minors, as does panda and dominos.

If the thing is related to sex and can easily be mailed, the overwhelming likelihood is that it is some kind of fabric item, i.e. a towel, underwear, shirt, pants, etc. And if it has a map on it, that has mean to a stain or mark of some kind (what else can be on a fabric but a stain or mark), and it's related to S&M sex, then it probably means it has blood. What else could 'seem to be pizza-related' (i.e. possibly but not certainly be pizza-related) but that?

That's what the handkerchief with pizza-related map is. It is a cloth item with blood and/or other fluids on it from an S&M sex session involving children. We know that the realtor does not view it as incriminating evidence, or she would dispose of it and certainly not mail it or send emails about it. The only possibility then is that Podesta might want the item as a memento, and the reason Podesta was asked about it is because it is normal for pedophiles to want these kinds of mementos, as did the above child rapist.

The only difference between William Thomas and Podesta is that the former is a handyman who lives in a trailer park and the latter is among the most connected and influential people in American politics.

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AreWeSure ago

Haven't you heard? the code is not part of pizzagate anymore. At least, that's was people keep telling me.

newworldahead ago

@AreWeSure... I find it fascinating that you laugh at any single evidence we have on pizzagate, yet you seem to believe in the "pee gate" hoax...

https://voat.co/v/news/1555436/7576898

Let me quote you:

This dossier on Trump has been going around a while and reporters have been trying to confirm this stuff for months. The "sexual" part is just a small part of this. This dossier was compiled by a real person, with genuine experience and contacts in Russia and it was started before Trump had the nomination. He is ex MI6 and now works for a private firm Does that mean all of his stuff is gold? No, it does not. However, what is being reported tonight is that the Intel Agencies have checked out the source network and now believe there is enough credibility to the charges that some of this info was briefed to the President and President elect.

So much bs for a so-called skeptic

AreWeSure ago

You seem to have misread my post.

The dossier is real and was not from 4chan. It is not a hoax.

You seem to miss all the skeptical comments about "trying to confirm" and "does that mean the stuff is gold?"

Also are you aware of the rosneft and Erovinkin developments since we've learned of the dossier?

newworldahead ago

The dossier is real and was not from 4chan. It is not a hoax

Then by all means, show some evidence. I will gladly look into it. Something real and tangible, ok? Not just anonymous insiders.

AreWeSure ago

The dossier talked about a deal involving Carter Page and 19% of the State oil company Rosneft. In December 19.5% of Rosneft was sold in the largest privatization in Russia since the 90's. The buyers were secret. The half percent could be brokerage commissions. Also in December Oleg Erovinkin was found in the trunk of his car

newworldahead ago

Since you didn't provide any link, I searched and found a few articles. First one from businessinsider (http://www.businessinsider.com/carter-page-trump-russia-igor-sechin-dossier-2017-1)) which starts like this (emphasis mine).

A dossier with unverified claims about President Donald Trump's ties to Russia contained allegations that Igor Sechin, the CEO of Russia's state oil company, offered former Trump ally Carter Page and his associates the brokerage of a 19% stake in the company in exchange for the lifting of US sanctions on Russia.

Since the beginning, the problem with this fake dossier is that the claims are unverified. It doesn't matter what all these people say, if they keep saying things without actually showing evidence, they cannot be taken seriously.

Then I found this from NYTimes. https://www.nytimes.com/2016/12/08/world/europe/carter-page-donald-trump-moscow-russia.html?_r=0 and https://www.nytimes.com/2016/11/01/us/politics/fbi-russia-election-donald-trump.html

Once again accusations without evidence:

Mr. Reid, in a letter to Mr. Comey in August, asserted that Mr. Trump’s campaign “has employed a number of individuals with significant and disturbing ties to the Russia and the Kremlin.” Although Mr. Reid cited no evidence and offered no names explicitly, he clearly referred to one of Mr. Trump’s earlier campaign advisers, Carter Page.

Mr. Page, a former Merrill Lynch banker who founded an investment company in New York, Global Energy Capital, drew attention during the summer for a speech in which he criticized the United States and other Western nations for a “hypocritical focus on ideas such as democratization, inequality, corruption and regime change” in Russia and other parts of the former Soviet Union.

Perhaps I am not looking at the right place? Where is the evidence that this dossier is real?

AreWeSure ago

The dossier is real. As in a real intelligence product created by ex MI6 guy who is known to and has credibility with many Western intelligence agencies including ours. He reported gave us info on the FIFA soccer scandal from a few years ago. He also worked in Russia and has contacts there. This BBC report has a rundown of the creation of the dossier and how it got to the CIA http://www.bbc.com/news/world-us-canada-38612066

The dossier makes these claims among others.

  • Russia compiled dossiers on both Trump and Clinton.

  • The Clinton dossier included recorded phone and conversations. The Trump dossier including material that could be used to black mail him. Kompromat is what the Russian call it.

  • Russian has tried to cultivate Trump for 5 years including with sweetheart Business deals, but Trump turned these deals down

  • Russia has been feeding intelligence to Trump and his deal for two years on their political opponents including Hillary

  • A follow up report say Russia has kompromat on Hillary (emails.)

  • Russia has had direct contacts with many Trump advisors, Page, Flynn, Manafort,

  • When revelations about Manafort came out, The Trump company lawyer met with a member of the Russia legislature in Prague.

  • The head of Rosneft raised the issue of removing sanctions on Russia stemming from their invasion of Ukraine with Carter Page

  • Carter Page met with the head of Rosneft, Igor Sechin to discuss a large stake in Rosneft in exchange for lifting sanctions. This report was Oct 18. Significantly this was "confirmed by a close associate of Sechin.

Are these claims True? Right now everything is unproven.

The most interesting one right now to me is the one saying Page could benefit from the Rosneft sale. The sale went through in December. We still don't know exactly who bought 19.5% of the world's largest oil company. http://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-rosneft-privatisation-insight-idUSKBN1582OH

The other reason this is interesting, is two weeks ago, a very close associate of Selchin was found dead in his trunk

An ex-KGB chief suspected of helping the former MI6 spy Christopher Steele to compile his dossier on Donald Trump may have been murdered by the Kremlin and his death covered up. it has been claimed.

Oleg Erovinkin, a former general in the KGB and its successor the FSB, was found dead in the back of his car in Moscow on Boxing Day in mysterious circumstances.

Erovinkin was a key aide to Igor Sechin, a former deputy prime minister and now head of Rosneft, the state-owned oil company, who is repeatedly named in the dossier.

Also a month after this death, Russia arrested four people for treason including

Two Russian intelligence officers who worked on cyberoperations and a Russian computer security expert have been arrested and charged with treason for providing information to the United States, according to multiple Russian news reports. https://www.nytimes.com/2017/01/27/world/europe/russia-hacking-us-election.html?_r=0

However, it seems like someone in Russia might believe the dossier is real.

newworldahead ago

This article once again contains the same bogus vibe. Here is a quote from the article you cite

It has been widely attributed to Christopher Steele, a retired British intelligence officer. Mr Steele, who runs a London-based intelligence firm, was reportedly hired by anti-Trump Republicans to investigate Mr Trump's ties to Russia during the battle for the party's presidential nomination. In the general election campaign the research was funded by an anonymous Democratic donor. But since Mr Steele has been in hiding since the report surfaced on Tuesday, there is no confirmation that he is the author.

See, once again, we don't know who decided that "it had been wideley attributed to Christopher Steele". We have to take their word for it because there are no links and no source to back up this claim. They just write stuff without providing any evidence. And then we are led to believe that the supposed author cannot confirm he is the author because he is in hiding. This is oh so convenient don't you think?

This smells so fishy, the whole thing. It's completely bogus... there is no substance. Nothing. Just speculation.

AreWeSure ago

I think in this case, they don't want to be the ones confirming it to be Christopher Steele. His name was first published elsewhere. What I have not seen is any of the others news companies challenge that. Because many of them had access to this. Many other places have followed up on this. That's one way to tell if something is likely to be fake. Can other reporters develop the story further. With Steele they definitely have https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/jan/12/intelligence-sources-vouch-credibility-donald-trump-russia-dossier-author

They may not have developed it to your taste though, which gets us to the problem. Part of your objections seems to be about epistimology -how do we know what we know. And Part seem to be because uncertainty is a giant part of the Intelligence world. In the Intel world, "a high degree of certainty" is almost the very highest assessment, they will give.

Ambiguity is always present in the intel world. He could be told this things, but were the people he talked to in position to know these things? Did they just hear rumors or do they know? Were they deliberately feeding him lies? Etc, etc.

I would say it something that bears keeping an eye on.

newworldahead ago

It's not just a matter of developing the story further, it's a matter of providing evidence. They always do that, they are not able to give us names. It's always "One colleague said", "A respected official declared...". Who are these people? They never tell us but we are always supposed to believe them.

Can you imagine if we did the same with pizzagate?? "A well respected man reported that he heard children screaming at comet ping pong. When asked if he was really sure about what he heard. The man responded without hesitation: 'Absolutely, yes'. Also, a witness apparently said that he was 100% sure that 'pizza' was a code word for pedophila."

Quoting your article:

On Thursday night, as the former spy was in hiding, having fled his home in the south-east of England, former colleagues rallied to defend him. One described him as “very credible” – a sober, cautious and meticulous professional with a formidable record.

The former Foreign Office official, who has known Steele for 25 years and considers him a friend, said: “The idea his work is fake or a cowboy operation is false – completely untrue. Chris is an experienced and highly regarded professional. He’s not the sort of person who will simply pass on gossip.”

The official added: “If he puts something in a report, he believes there’s sufficient credibility in it for it to be worth considering. Chris is a very straight guy. He could not have survived in the job he was in if he had been prone to flights of fancy or doing things in an ill-considered way.”

This is why it smells so fishy. Why no one appear on a TV show to blow the whistle? A leftist media who is anti-trump, like CNN for example, would love to give a tribune to Steele and his friends. And he would have the whole establishment on his side to offer physical protection. Hell, he would even get all the protection he needs from George Soros himself. So there is nothing to fear for him. The establishment is not hostile to him at all. Why would he go hiding somewhere in the southeast of england. Doesn't make any sense.