http://www.philly.com/philly/blogs/real-time/Bucks-County-suspected-serial-child-rapist-arrested.html
'For as long as 40 years, officials said, handyman William Charles Thomas stalked and groomed his child victims, raped them, collected articles of clothing as trophies, and sometimes wrote graphic details on pieces of plywood that he used in renovating trailer homes.'
Let's take this back to the most notorious Podesta email.
Pizza = pussy & penis / dick / ass / head. Not 'girl,' not sex organs or orifices in the physical sense. But the engaging with those things i.e. the receiving or the penetrating, usually in a controlling, coercive, or semi-coercive way i.e. with trafficked individuals or prostitutes. If you want to tie it to the pelvic triangle, men have something a pelvic triangle (at least as pubic zone) when seated too (obviously with a penis at bottom of it), and the social media evidence fully confirms pizza does not only relate to females.
Map = mark/stain of semen, blood, menstrual fluid, etc. Given that those in question are into S&M child sex, it probably involves blood. The stain is basically a map of the encounter. It's not just a random codeword choice. (remember the band Sex Stains)
Handkerchief = not entirely certain, but probably just means thing [related to CP / deviant sex].
Black-and-white [handkerchief] means S&M sex w/ minors, as does panda and dominos.
If the thing is related to sex and can easily be mailed, the overwhelming likelihood is that it is some kind of fabric item, i.e. a towel, underwear, shirt, pants, etc. And if it has a map on it, that has mean to a stain or mark of some kind (what else can be on a fabric but a stain or mark), and it's related to S&M sex, then it probably means it has blood. What else could 'seem to be pizza-related' (i.e. possibly but not certainly be pizza-related) but that?
That's what the handkerchief with pizza-related map is. It is a cloth item with blood and/or other fluids on it from an S&M sex session involving children. We know that the realtor does not view it as incriminating evidence, or she would dispose of it and certainly not mail it or send emails about it. The only possibility then is that Podesta might want the item as a memento, and the reason Podesta was asked about it is because it is normal for pedophiles to want these kinds of mementos, as did the above child rapist.
The only difference between William Thomas and Podesta is that the former is a handyman who lives in a trailer park and the latter is among the most connected and influential people in American politics.
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Kwijibo ago
This seems very speculative. Your link (being related to PG) is not really proven by you text.
psmith85 ago
It's establishing that pedophiles keep garments of their victims as mementos. This was known/suspected by most readers here, but it's helpful to have it supported by a recent story. This potentially being related to a flurry of recent arrests of sex abusers also ties in to PG. If you use deductive reasoning and look at the handkerchief email in light of all the other 'pizza' evidence, specifically the large amount of evidence on social media, there is no other explanation than what I posted. If there is, please provide it yourself instead of saying 'seems speculative.' If something is speculative, then there should be readily available alternative explanations for it other than the speculation. If there are such explanations, please provide them. This is not speculation, it is a thesis supported by deduction and evidence.
Kwijibo ago
The the handkerchief from the e-mail belonged to the child victim?
psmith85 ago
Yes, an alternative explanation to that. Why would Podesta want it otherwise (other than as a memento)?
Kwijibo ago
Maybe it was his to begin with. Maybe he used it to wipe off his dick and forgot to dispose of it.
psmith85 ago
OK, but it's still a memento from S&M sex with children, making this not speculation. Whether the fluids are his or the victim's doesn't really matter. Also, semen likely wouldn't create enough of a stain to qualify as a 'map'/memento of the encounter. There was likely blood on it that was either transferred by penis or came directly from the victim. You're not accounting for the black-and-white pattern mentioned. And if you're claiming it's not from sexual intercourse, are you actually suggesting someone would want a tissue/cloth they masturbated into mailed to them?
Kwijibo ago
Maybe he did not want it, maybe the sender of the e-mail was just telling him to be more careful leaving DNA evidence lying around.
psmith85 ago
OK but what is your hypothesis about what was on the handkerchief and what activity it came from, other than sex with children?
Kwijibo ago
That is my hypothesis. But maybe it was not a souvenir and maybe it was not even a handkerchief.
psmith85 ago
You haven't given a hypothesis. If it was from innocuous activity, why would it matter if his DNA was on it? And what other small, mailable item would have a sex stain on it other than some kind of piece of fabric? And what are the odds that it would be 'black with white' and of that fact being relevant? You can't say 'maybe it wasn't _______' and label something as speculation without offering a 'it could have just been _______'. Failing to do so would make you, not me, the speculator. I gave a full hypothesis; if you think it's just speculation then you have to offer a full, alternative, similarly likely hypothesis.
Kwijibo ago
His DNA could be used to convict him. It could have been code language. But the fact remains that your link was not directly related to PG, it was peripheral story at best.
psmith85 ago
Convict him of what, if not sex with children? What I'm focusing on is your willy-nilly use of the word speculation in a pejorative sense, which smacks of Snopes-esque fake debunking. It relates to Pizzagate just as much as the other stories being posted daily about trafficking and sex abuse arrests, and it relates to the single most important piece of evidence (among the hundreds or thousands that there are) in the entire scandal, which is the Podesta handkerchief email, because Thomas's memento garments and Podesta's handkerchiefs are the exact same thing and there is very strong evidence this is the case, with no alternative explanations having been offered.
Kwijibo ago
OK, your statement that pedos keep mementos and therefor the handkerchief is important is an unproven and therefor speculative statement.
psmith85 ago
It's not speculative. What is your standard of proof, other than a confession from Podesta that 'yes, it referred to a memento from S&M child sex abuse.' I've made a well-grounded case for it, and no alternative cases have been made. If it was not well-grounded, alternative theories should be readily available. They aren't. Again, that's a thesis, not speculation.
Kwijibo ago
Speculation:
a. Reasoning based on inconclusive evidence; conjecture or supposition. b. A conclusion, opinion, or theory reached by conjecture.
psmith85 ago
It's not inconclusive. It's conclusive. Meaning a conclusion has been reached, and no alternative conclusions to the inquiry have been put forth. It's not by conjecture either, since there is a wealth of evidence that pedophiles and sex abusers keep mementos from victims, that pizza means what I said it means, and that black-and-white means what I said it means. The meaning of map can be deduced and is entirely consistent with the remainder of the thesis.
Kwijibo ago
What is the conclusion?
psmith85 ago
That the black and white handkerchief with seemingly pizza-related map is a memorial piece of fabric, likely stained with blood, from S&M sex with children.
Kwijibo ago
Ok, that is your conclusion based on known facts, it is still speculation until proven.
psmith85 ago
Like I asked before, what is your standard of proof, other than a confession from Podesta or the realtor?
Kwijibo ago
Yeah, that would do it.
psmith85 ago
So only that? That's absurd and out of line with precedent. Only a small percentage of criminal convictions involve confessions.