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Kwijibo ago

This seems very speculative. Your link (being related to PG) is not really proven by you text.

psmith85 ago

It's establishing that pedophiles keep garments of their victims as mementos. This was known/suspected by most readers here, but it's helpful to have it supported by a recent story. This potentially being related to a flurry of recent arrests of sex abusers also ties in to PG. If you use deductive reasoning and look at the handkerchief email in light of all the other 'pizza' evidence, specifically the large amount of evidence on social media, there is no other explanation than what I posted. If there is, please provide it yourself instead of saying 'seems speculative.' If something is speculative, then there should be readily available alternative explanations for it other than the speculation. If there are such explanations, please provide them. This is not speculation, it is a thesis supported by deduction and evidence.

Kwijibo ago

The the handkerchief from the e-mail belonged to the child victim?

psmith85 ago

Yes, an alternative explanation to that. Why would Podesta want it otherwise (other than as a memento)?

Kwijibo ago

Maybe it was his to begin with. Maybe he used it to wipe off his dick and forgot to dispose of it.

psmith85 ago

OK, but it's still a memento from S&M sex with children, making this not speculation. Whether the fluids are his or the victim's doesn't really matter. Also, semen likely wouldn't create enough of a stain to qualify as a 'map'/memento of the encounter. There was likely blood on it that was either transferred by penis or came directly from the victim. You're not accounting for the black-and-white pattern mentioned. And if you're claiming it's not from sexual intercourse, are you actually suggesting someone would want a tissue/cloth they masturbated into mailed to them?

Kwijibo ago

Maybe he did not want it, maybe the sender of the e-mail was just telling him to be more careful leaving DNA evidence lying around.

psmith85 ago

OK but what is your hypothesis about what was on the handkerchief and what activity it came from, other than sex with children?

Kwijibo ago

That is my hypothesis. But maybe it was not a souvenir and maybe it was not even a handkerchief.

psmith85 ago

You haven't given a hypothesis. If it was from innocuous activity, why would it matter if his DNA was on it? And what other small, mailable item would have a sex stain on it other than some kind of piece of fabric? And what are the odds that it would be 'black with white' and of that fact being relevant? You can't say 'maybe it wasn't _______' and label something as speculation without offering a 'it could have just been _______'. Failing to do so would make you, not me, the speculator. I gave a full hypothesis; if you think it's just speculation then you have to offer a full, alternative, similarly likely hypothesis.

Kwijibo ago

His DNA could be used to convict him. It could have been code language. But the fact remains that your link was not directly related to PG, it was peripheral story at best.

psmith85 ago

Convict him of what, if not sex with children? What I'm focusing on is your willy-nilly use of the word speculation in a pejorative sense, which smacks of Snopes-esque fake debunking. It relates to Pizzagate just as much as the other stories being posted daily about trafficking and sex abuse arrests, and it relates to the single most important piece of evidence (among the hundreds or thousands that there are) in the entire scandal, which is the Podesta handkerchief email, because Thomas's memento garments and Podesta's handkerchiefs are the exact same thing and there is very strong evidence this is the case, with no alternative explanations having been offered.

Kwijibo ago

OK, your statement that pedos keep mementos and therefor the handkerchief is important is an unproven and therefor speculative statement.

psmith85 ago

It's not speculative. What is your standard of proof, other than a confession from Podesta that 'yes, it referred to a memento from S&M child sex abuse.' I've made a well-grounded case for it, and no alternative cases have been made. If it was not well-grounded, alternative theories should be readily available. They aren't. Again, that's a thesis, not speculation.

Kwijibo ago

Speculation:

a. Reasoning based on inconclusive evidence; conjecture or supposition. b. A conclusion, opinion, or theory reached by conjecture.

psmith85 ago

It's not inconclusive. It's conclusive. Meaning a conclusion has been reached, and no alternative conclusions to the inquiry have been put forth. It's not by conjecture either, since there is a wealth of evidence that pedophiles and sex abusers keep mementos from victims, that pizza means what I said it means, and that black-and-white means what I said it means. The meaning of map can be deduced and is entirely consistent with the remainder of the thesis.

Kwijibo ago

What is the conclusion?

psmith85 ago

That the black and white handkerchief with seemingly pizza-related map is a memorial piece of fabric, likely stained with blood, from S&M sex with children.

Kwijibo ago

Ok, that is your conclusion based on known facts, it is still speculation until proven.

psmith85 ago

Like I asked before, what is your standard of proof, other than a confession from Podesta or the realtor?

Kwijibo ago

Yeah, that would do it.

psmith85 ago

So only that? That's absurd and out of line with precedent. Only a small percentage of criminal convictions involve confessions.