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witch_doctor1 ago

That's exactly what it looks like to me too. It is crazy that in this timeline Wikileaks is essentially blackmailing the FBI to do the right thing. Not that there is anything wrong with that IMO.

party1981 ago

Yeah I've been swallowing a lot of red pills about FBI and CIA government corruption ever since CNN and the WSJ confirmed the Clinton Foundation investigation that FBIanon predicted four months earlier. That led me to Sandy Hook, which led to me 9/11, which led to Operation Northwoods, MK-ULTRA, Mockingbird, Phoenix, etc. Along the way, George Webb did a mountain of great work. It has been a very depressing ride for me, but Trump and FBIanon give me a glimmer of hope.

witch_doctor1 ago

I know what you mean...I still don't want to believe 9/11 and that the Bush's are evil...but it is looking that way. Even when I was still a fan of GWB, I couldn't understand why American citizens were getting sexually assaulted to ride on airplanes, but the border was wide open. Now we know.

On the bright side, we now have a President that actually loves this country. That should be qualification #1 for the job, and it's been far too long since we had one.

party1981 ago

Watch any Christopher Bollyn video on youtube and it will explain 9/11 pretty well.

The JFK assassination falls apart upon the slightest scrutiny too (watch a Jerome Corsi video on JFK, or the youtube video "From JFK to 9/11").

I didn't want to believe any of it either.

samhara ago

Chris Bollyn is not for real [ you will find many 'controlled op' along the way "What I Finally Understood" - http://mileswmathis.com/guru.pdf ] though he could be an alright "entry drug" into the study of "9/11." JFK may not be the close - to "Saint" people have been led to believe "If only he lived. If If If " Not. [Start with Lincoln to get a grip on the Kennedy ] Lincoln - http://mileswmathis.com/lincoln.pdf - JFK - http://mileswmathis.com/barindex2.pdf -

party1981 ago

Can you give me a specific reason why he isn't real (whatever that means?)?

He says 9/11 was Mossad, same thing that FBIanon said. Or you don't agree with FBIanon either?

samhara ago

Of course people in our own government are going to blame it on "Israel" and the Mossad.. Mossad is very good at what they do, so they definitely needed Mossad for this.. It's also true some people who attend and sing at Syanagogue were given a tip not to go to work that day. The event was very long in planning.. Certainly the entire "Octopus" was involved. Rockefeller for certain. Bush, for certain. Here's one of the best text on "Who Did It" - http://www.septemberclues.info/historical.shtml - I have another list too.

party1981 ago

I have yet to see evidence showing that Mossad didn't do it, with neocon permission, or that everyone involved wasn't either Israeli/banker.

Anyway, this is a forum about PG, not 911, so feel free to continue by private message.

samhara ago

Not sure how Mossad has control of Network News, New York City police, New York City mayor and D.A. .. I don't have to prove anything to you.. The "Jews Did It " thingy is a complete set- up / op . That's what "But Jews killed our Jesus" was invented for..

party1981 ago

Fox News is owned by Murdoch, who parties with Epstein. Murdoch bought a bunch of newspapers with Rothschild money. Why do you think Megyn Kelly interviewed James A.?

I'm guessing Guiliani was compromised, but I don't really know. George Webb says that he slowfooted the Marc Rich investigation.

The theory isn't that nobody outside of Mossad worked on the case. The theory is that Mossad planned it, orchestrated it, heavily compartmentalized it, and used a small number of non-Israelis to help execute it. So let's not talk about a straw man. I know that Cheney and Guiliani aren't Jewish. That doesn't change the contradict the theory. FBIanon said the same thing.

samhara ago

Thinking about this : "Mossad" is a police force, they don't plan, they follow orders. It was U.S. think tanks, yes, "Neo-Cons" - http://www.septemberclues.info/historical.shtml-

And our very own "Military Industrial Complex"

They likely hired the Mossad cause they couldn't easily get Americans to do it to themselves..? And be too secret about it.

But they did put gag orders on the police and the fire department in NYC

So they needed other countries involved. Truly look at that link above and you see some names and you will be able to google some faces.. I'm getting ready to make lists. We've already made them. And I'm making them and updating

But how did "they" get all that power here- if it was truly a foreign power? Somebody, our people, fucked up? Right? The 9/11 Truth people went though all the delusional angst of "What will we do when it busts open?" over 10 years ago :

Here is Morgan Reynolds who held a position in the Cabinet of the Bush Administration:

"Second, what really is the worry? Isn’t this what we are working for, the prospect of justice obtained by exposure of the truth, the prospect of stopping the killers in their tracks? Yes, it is. Anyone fretting over the triumph of truth should ask this question: what do you do with a family dog who kills a family member? The dog was acquired to protect the family and instead it kills someone it was supposed to protect. The services of such a dog would no longer be required, to put it as gently as possible. That’s the situation we have with the DoD, NSA, CIA, FBI and a murderous array of government agencies, including the 9/11 Commission."

Yeh, let's blame it on the Jews, on Isreal - phst. Give me a break.

party1981 ago

Mossad is not a police force. It's a secret intelligence organization, parallel to the CIA.

The problem with your theory is that it doesn't help the United States to spend $5 trillion fighting and destroying Israeli's enemies in the Middle East: Iraq, Yemen, Somalia, Sudan, Iran, etc. But it makes perfect sense for a small country, with a high IQ, surrounded by enemies and threats, to ramp up Muslim false flags to rally the U.S. military to help protect it.

The other problem is that 9/11 happened after the heavily Israeli neoconservatives got into power. That indicates that Israel was controlling the U.S., not vice versa. If the U.S. was just hiring Mossad to pull off 9/11, you don't need to fill your federal government with Israeli-connected neoconservatives.

Nobody is saying that "the Jews did it" or that all Jews are bad. We're saying that Mossad is corrupt, the same way that the CIA is corrupt, and Mossad did 9/11, with the permission of neocons. Of course, there are Skull and Bones, Wall St., and secret society connections (Rothschild). But the evidence for Mossad doing 9/11 is overwhelming. Not just executing it, but planning it for decades, and planning it for obvious motivations that benefit Israel.

samhara ago

It's impossible for the "Mossad" to do 9/11 without the U.S. government. "The Risk of Winning: What Happens Once the 9/11 Sewer Opens Wide?" - https://nomoregames.net/2006/04/09/the-risk-of-winning-what-happens-once-the-911-sewer-opens-wide/ -

We are fighting a proxy war in the Mid - East not for the ostensible "Israelis" but for the British and German Zionist Bankers.

The "theory" as you call it, of "Israel " in charge of the U.S. is truly a Tail-Wags-the-Dog scenario. Here's from a Cabinet member of the Bush Admin: Morgan Reynolds, link above - from 10 years ago.

"Third, insiders are on the verge of going public. 9/11 was so “over the top,” so murderous, and the next event will be even bigger, that patriotism and conscience are working overtime among insiders to restore a semblance of sanity to our nation. In a hub-and-spoke conspiracy this large, most participants did not know in advance the scope of the planned “terrorist” event. On hindsight, some of the participants are appalled at what they participated in. They are going to spill the beans. Furthermore, virtually everyone across the world inside intelligence services, the military, airline pilots and other technical experts know full well that the U.S. government and selected outsiders did 9/11, not nineteen incompetent Arabs at the behest of a couple of cave dwellers in Afghanistan. Upshot? The dam is going to break, and probably sooner rather than later. There will be casualties on our side before the whole traitorous truth is broken wide open. Michael Zebuhr, a Clemson engineering graduate student and student member of Scholars for 9/11 Truth was murdered under highly suspicious circumstances in Minneapolis on March 18 and was almost certainly a 9/11 casualty. We are playing for the highest stakes imaginable. The sooner the truth breaks out in the open, the fewer innocent lives lost. So will justice be done? I strongly believe it will. Sure, some of the perpetrators will get away with their crimes, but we are going to win. The American commitment to an impersonal legal process is deep and wide, so I am not concerned about any kind of vigilantism or mob “justice.” Yes, we will have a “constitutional crisis” of sorts, but it is going to be orderly and peaceful. We need to think through what we are going to do with that victory. My initial thought is that we must safeguard the 9/11 convictions by removing one privilege from the presidency, namely, the presidential pardon of convicted criminals like those in the Iran-Contra scandal. The fact that presidents traditionally issue pardons on Christmas eve when almost no one is watching says all we need to know about their social value."

party1981 ago

There was U.S. government involvement. I never said there wasn't. So, right off the bat, you are not accurately representing my view.

Your long quote doesn't refute anything I have written here, nor does it address the higher-level arguments I have made for Israeli motivations.

samhara ago

sorry if I missed your point or mis-represented you. I just don't agree that "It was the Israelis" - that's a very one - dimensional viewpoint and one that is bandied around quite a bit. The Israelis are puppets of Bankers.. Israel was put there for a purpose. They are not rulers of the larger scheme. If I'm not clear about your "higher level argument" maybe it's because it doesn't make sense?

party1981 ago

If Israel did 9/11 because of bankers, like the Rothschilds, pulling its strings, then I agree with you. Obviously, we don't know the full ground truth of what happened. Of course, there are going to be many, many people inside of Mossad who puppets, who are either brainwashed, or raised since childhood, or blackmailed, into doing things that normal people wouldn't do.

samhara ago

Yes, and there are many in the U.S. who would do the same, for money or position. And many mercenaries who are employed by private companies, who were also involved.