Looking like Seaman might be a disinfo shill. From what I hear, he never reported much of the actual evidence on pizzagate. It could easily be that he was just getting himself associated with pizzagate and building cred so he could then start spouting nonsense and make pizzagate look like tinfoil-hat stuff. The main things here that sound nonsensical so far are (1) the claim that the Clintons believe they are descended from aliens:
Earth is flat, okay. doesn't really matter to me, I don't find it important. Its not something I can change and there is lots of mystery in the world, so I'm not fussed with it round, flat, donut shaped, doesn't matter. I didn't find the video compelling. it was too swirly and made me seasick and I didn't understand the physics, for example gravity makes no sense if earth is flat, neither does the fact that the water is reversed in toilets in australia or africa and the sun is towards the north. sorry, maybe the video addresses this better than first hand experience?
It matters. And you're giving up too easily. Gravity is a theory, it doesn't exist. How does gravity keep the oceans from flying off a spinning ball yet lets a small bird fly across the water, and insects jump from the earth? The swirling sink water is not true, that's a myth. Nasa is a hoax. Etc. (Maybe try some other videos, or just come back to the subject in several months if you're so inclined.) Have to run.
I cal buy into NASA is a hoax, I can even prove that. But I can also prove the earth isn't flat. That's easy. There are a few very obvious issues with it. Now I actually have respect for you bopper, you're a good contributor here, so I'll take is seriously and discuss it with you, but it does amaze me that you seem to believe this stuff. I don't want it associated with pizzagate any more than aliens which are very possible...
I appreciate your consideration and what you said about me. I am risking my rep a bit here, I know, by talking about this - so I will stop. It is not something that you can teach/tell someone, they have to learn/discover it themselves.
Flat earth is something that should be discussed privately and delicately. I fully understand you being amazed w/ me espousing it.
And, the last thing I want to do is discredit the pizzagate investigation, I am a mere pygmy compared to the work you guys have done. Thanks again, sincerely.
I have never understand how you can think the earth is flat and the sun travels in a circle. In the model of flat earth I looked into this picture would not be possible, yet it happens twice a day at different times in different spots of the planet. Based on that it's just not possible. Why does the sun sink At sunset? For instance see this picture? It's not representative of a flat earth and we all can observe it every day.
Anyway yeah I am willing to discuss but maybe we could take it offline I don't want people to use this to discredit you when you're making good contributions.
The vanishing sun you're looking at is simply our perspective, what our eyes see, like looking down a long corridor until there's a vanishing point. It simply looks like it's sinking when indeed it is just moving out of your vantage point, traveling onwards and making its circuit.
This is the last thing I'll say 'cause it's bedtime and I have trouble sleeping ... you are experiencing what I experienced when I tried to disprove it. I loathed the fact that every objection I brought up there was an answer to. It is quite aggravating. I eventually had to admit, I simply cannot prove the earth is round. Thank you again, you can always PM me, but I better shut-up, I hope you do indeed check it out. (Please do not think that I am being condescending, I promise I am not.)
I mean clearly it's not helping my votes by discussing this which is amazing to me.. like wtf? Anyway but if the sun were to circle around then it would just get smaller, and smaller and curve off to the right which it kinda does, but we would still be able to see it in the sky and follow it all the way around to the back side, if wouldnf rise or set but get smaller and smaller.. but with a telescope or even just the naked eye we would still see it.. I don't get how it completely disappears at a huge size if it's still in the sky over a flat earth. That makes no sense to me. And there are other problems with the theory. Such as if it were flat and you flew west the plane would have to be constantly banking to the right instead of flying straight.. as well as it would run out of gas a long time before it gets to its destination because on a flat earth map the shortest distance isn't the actual way that planes fly... for whatever reason they go way out of their way to get to their destination, so why? Anyway it don't care about voats on here, so down vote me people. Bopper and I have a friendship where we respect each other and each other's opinions. So this isn't about whether the observers to the discussion agree, it's about actually talking things through on a intelligent level rather than just calling each other retards and ruining our interaction with each other because we're unable to have intelligent conversation. Rather than down vote me, I welcome you that disagree with me to discuss. Maybe we should take it to /v/conspiracy but yeah. There is nothing wrong with respecting each other and having intelligent conversation.
It disappears because the sun is 'small,' not a gigantic star, just a light, shining in a certain area as it moves along. Our eyes can only see so far. This debate has been ongoing forever, only settled since NASA. If the earth were a ball planes would constantly have to bank downwards as they flew around it. If it's a ball, we should be able to hover over it in a helicopter and watch it move, then land in a completely different part of the globe. But it doesn't sound at all like you need me, sounds like you are doing some critical thinking already. I can tell you I hated the ridiculous idea and the cognitive dissonance was deafening.
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Millennial_Falcon ago
Looking like Seaman might be a disinfo shill. From what I hear, he never reported much of the actual evidence on pizzagate. It could easily be that he was just getting himself associated with pizzagate and building cred so he could then start spouting nonsense and make pizzagate look like tinfoil-hat stuff. The main things here that sound nonsensical so far are (1) the claim that the Clintons believe they are descended from aliens:
https://twitter.com/d_seaman/status/827335239718543361
Personally, I do believe aliens exist, but this sounds completely ridiculous.
And (2) this retweet about "Reptilians": https://twitter.com/ILMDRACOS/status/826906569858220032
Also, flairing this post as important. Whether you believe Seaman is a shill or not, this is very significant.
bopper ago
Aliens don't exist.
2impendingdoom ago
we are all stardust...
but that's all I have to say about that.
bopper ago
Humor me. Watch this just halfway through. Just pretend it's for entertainment.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pGl8I3l-5ac
2impendingdoom ago
is there a counterclockwise version for the southern hemisphere? Is this what's brainwashing america? CIA put this crap out? You owe me seven minutes!
bopper ago
Never mind. We'll just be stardust. Nite.
2impendingdoom ago
Earth is flat, okay. doesn't really matter to me, I don't find it important. Its not something I can change and there is lots of mystery in the world, so I'm not fussed with it round, flat, donut shaped, doesn't matter. I didn't find the video compelling. it was too swirly and made me seasick and I didn't understand the physics, for example gravity makes no sense if earth is flat, neither does the fact that the water is reversed in toilets in australia or africa and the sun is towards the north. sorry, maybe the video addresses this better than first hand experience?
bopper ago
It matters. And you're giving up too easily. Gravity is a theory, it doesn't exist. How does gravity keep the oceans from flying off a spinning ball yet lets a small bird fly across the water, and insects jump from the earth? The swirling sink water is not true, that's a myth. Nasa is a hoax. Etc. (Maybe try some other videos, or just come back to the subject in several months if you're so inclined.) Have to run.
Fateswebb ago
I cal buy into NASA is a hoax, I can even prove that. But I can also prove the earth isn't flat. That's easy. There are a few very obvious issues with it. Now I actually have respect for you bopper, you're a good contributor here, so I'll take is seriously and discuss it with you, but it does amaze me that you seem to believe this stuff. I don't want it associated with pizzagate any more than aliens which are very possible...
bopper ago
I appreciate your consideration and what you said about me. I am risking my rep a bit here, I know, by talking about this - so I will stop. It is not something that you can teach/tell someone, they have to learn/discover it themselves.
Flat earth is something that should be discussed privately and delicately. I fully understand you being amazed w/ me espousing it.
And, the last thing I want to do is discredit the pizzagate investigation, I am a mere pygmy compared to the work you guys have done. Thanks again, sincerely.
Fateswebb ago
I have never understand how you can think the earth is flat and the sun travels in a circle. In the model of flat earth I looked into this picture would not be possible, yet it happens twice a day at different times in different spots of the planet. Based on that it's just not possible. Why does the sun sink At sunset? For instance see this picture? It's not representative of a flat earth and we all can observe it every day.
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-Y-STGjFw4-U/TturLfXh3YI/AAAAAAAAA_8/cJ3qAV5ZRd0/s1600/sunset.jpg
Anyway yeah I am willing to discuss but maybe we could take it offline I don't want people to use this to discredit you when you're making good contributions.
bopper ago
The vanishing sun you're looking at is simply our perspective, what our eyes see, like looking down a long corridor until there's a vanishing point. It simply looks like it's sinking when indeed it is just moving out of your vantage point, traveling onwards and making its circuit.
This is the last thing I'll say 'cause it's bedtime and I have trouble sleeping ... you are experiencing what I experienced when I tried to disprove it. I loathed the fact that every objection I brought up there was an answer to. It is quite aggravating. I eventually had to admit, I simply cannot prove the earth is round. Thank you again, you can always PM me, but I better shut-up, I hope you do indeed check it out. (Please do not think that I am being condescending, I promise I am not.)
Fateswebb ago
I mean clearly it's not helping my votes by discussing this which is amazing to me.. like wtf? Anyway but if the sun were to circle around then it would just get smaller, and smaller and curve off to the right which it kinda does, but we would still be able to see it in the sky and follow it all the way around to the back side, if wouldnf rise or set but get smaller and smaller.. but with a telescope or even just the naked eye we would still see it.. I don't get how it completely disappears at a huge size if it's still in the sky over a flat earth. That makes no sense to me. And there are other problems with the theory. Such as if it were flat and you flew west the plane would have to be constantly banking to the right instead of flying straight.. as well as it would run out of gas a long time before it gets to its destination because on a flat earth map the shortest distance isn't the actual way that planes fly... for whatever reason they go way out of their way to get to their destination, so why? Anyway it don't care about voats on here, so down vote me people. Bopper and I have a friendship where we respect each other and each other's opinions. So this isn't about whether the observers to the discussion agree, it's about actually talking things through on a intelligent level rather than just calling each other retards and ruining our interaction with each other because we're unable to have intelligent conversation. Rather than down vote me, I welcome you that disagree with me to discuss. Maybe we should take it to /v/conspiracy but yeah. There is nothing wrong with respecting each other and having intelligent conversation.
bopper ago
It disappears because the sun is 'small,' not a gigantic star, just a light, shining in a certain area as it moves along. Our eyes can only see so far. This debate has been ongoing forever, only settled since NASA. If the earth were a ball planes would constantly have to bank downwards as they flew around it. If it's a ball, we should be able to hover over it in a helicopter and watch it move, then land in a completely different part of the globe. But it doesn't sound at all like you need me, sounds like you are doing some critical thinking already. I can tell you I hated the ridiculous idea and the cognitive dissonance was deafening.