When I posted the pizzagate petition here 3 days ago, it had 49 signatures. https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1587286
Today it has 88.
My blood is boiling. We cannot sit idly by and say "what did you expect?"
We must get this to Ben Swann or other researchers with a platform. The petition site is one of the only sources We The People have been given for relaying our concerns to the White House. This censorship is not OK. If we can't fix it with phone calls, we can at least shed light on it and shame those in charge.
Here is the related post where I asked the community to weigh in. The consensus is that yes, there are shenanigans going on, as the other petitions are in fact working just fine. And no, it is not possible that the signature count has only increased by 45 in the past 3 days.
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truth_will_out ago
Those are good points. But, then again, you do need actual evidence. People are questioning if that number on the whitehouse petition is legitimate, and no one can say for sure if it is or not. You and I know that number is bullshit, but we can't actually prove it. So we need to be able to prove it.
To answer your question, I think going forward we really need a two-pronged approach. Just like we're backing up all the links that we share, we need a place to back up all the online actions we take. If we had our own, trusted petition server (and I don't mean voat -- you shouldn't need to create an account or confirm an email address to sign a petition), then when you ask someone to sign a petition next time, you can say, 1. Please sign the official petition here (whitehouse.gov), and then, 2. Please go and mark that you signed it on this other server (ourownserver.org). Then we could compare these numbers and say to everyone "look, these numbers over here on whitehouse.gov are obviously bullshit, because everyone who signed it there also signed it over here."
We've got suppression from above, and an echo chamber below, and it would be super helpful if we had a third place that could serve as a bridge between these two places.
The bottom line here is trust, of course, and running a secure web server can't be done by an amateur. We need a webserver we can trust, and a web expert we can trust to manage it. Is there anyone here that can help?
AgainstTheNWO ago
Can we than not better ask everybody to upload a screenshot "Verify your signature" email at vgy and collect them in a separate thread? That is a way to fight for current petition and just clean justice for this and all depressed petitions now and in the future. If in a day more than 100 screenshots are uploaded and counting is still 91 it is hard evidence. The difference in screenshot "Verify your signature" email can be done by time of email and/or "part" of name/email address that will make each screenshot unique and can people not upload a other ones screenshot while claiming it's theirs.
truth_will_out ago
Exactly. But I think this messaging has to be made clear at the outset of the campaign, not as an afterthought. Maybe somebody (not me) could start a new thread here on voat where we can collectively work on the messaging of the petition, since that was one criticism, and make sure that the message is clear that we need people who sign it to take screenshots of their emails. ... although, people seem to be saying that they're not receiving the "verify your signature" emails... ugh.
Then again, part of the whole problem of the digital age is that everything digital can be so easily faked. It could simply be that on "online" campaign is just not going to work period, and what we actually need is for people to write letters by hand, photo-copy them before they put them in the mail, and upload scans of their letters. It's a hell of a lot more work than typing in a text box, but it would give us the paper trail we need.
I'm not trying to obstruct here, but I think if we're going to see this thing through, we need to get serious and methodical in the extreme.