this is directed at armyseer: People like you make me sick. Any idea how hard it is to be discreet and not put people in danger that have come out. Ask Fiona Barnett. I owe you nothing. I met, years ago, Ted Gunderson who provided me with information regarding Kenneth Lanning. Whether Gunderson was the real deal or not, it opened my eyes. My ex wife was a product of this. What.. you want her name? I will point out this if you google ritual abuse you get, at the top of that google search, a Wikipedia page for Satanic Ritual Abuse https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Satanic_ritual_abuse. This wikipedia page is full of old articles(including that by Kenneth Lanning) and is completely a disinfo job. Here is a site that talks about survival https://survivorship.org/ritual-abuse-evidence/. I lived and worked in Hollywood for over 20 years. If you think this only goes on with some death metal satanist crowd you are sadly mistaken. Here is a very good documentary made about France and Belgium. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MUzQ7aqFyiU. Instead of jumping to conclusions show some critical thinking. Again, people coming out about it, it puts their lives, their family lives in danger. You should be thanking me, not crapping on me .