OrwellKnew ago

Sadly, you are correct :/

mrjdouble ago

Unbelievable it's so obvious, right? The notion that anyone would declare this matter resolved without inspecting the body, is absolutely preposterous

I8ilderberg ago

Last comment posted on DemocraticundergroundI now believe it was suicide by train. Her mother's words have lifted me up, which seems so back-assward 'cause I have that feeling I should be lifting her up. I hope they lift you, too, I hope they lift up all who read them. This is what Liz, her mama wrote:

LIFE. WORDS. MUSIC.

I am humbled.

She rode into the sunset on the tail of the Comet Swift-Tuttle. As her memorial service ended and the crowd had barely begun to move themselves, a glowing light appeared rising from the sunset and continu...ed far into the east. It was something that no one had ever seen, like a tower of light, a cloud so vast that it traveled beyond the earth's atmosphere towards the sun.

The days since she passed have had cool breezes that blow short showers through the landscape, leaving rainbows all over the countryside. Everyone has remarked about it. And then last night as the memorial service ended, the beautiful sunset was suddenly over and a wide band of light appeared from the sunset. The earth was passing by the tail of the Comet Swift-Tuttle, which creates the Pleiades meteor showers in August. It last passed near the Earth in 1992, and is expected to be seen again in 2125.

Of course she would leave on the tail of a comet, she was always an overachiever. I have thought that she was saying, "This is what I can do in my cosmic form." I have thought that she was needed elsewhere, regardless of our wishes here in this life. She had to go, as my son said, because her beautiful soul was needed on a galactic mission, perhaps in another realm. You could believe that of Melaney.

The moment could not have been all coincidence. Everyone has been grieving here, and at that moment, everyone's hearts were lifted. There was too much magic. Bill started talking about it to me in Fort Davis and sounded more shaken by it than he wanted to be.

Her husband, John, is comforted. Maybe she felt she had to knock us over the head with a miracle, or more likely, a rare scientific event, so we might understand she was sending us a sign as loud as she could. She was heading off to the stars.

But I am still numb. And I miss her.See More

OrwellKnew ago

Yea. You're full of shit and have been exposed

Godwillwin ago

They seem to be infiltrating Colombia heights in D.C. Where alefantis' Pegasus is

Godwillwin ago

There were some people in Arkansas killed by the clinton hit men on train tracks because they knew about the mena Arkansas airport smuggling cocaine with Clintons and CIA

The witnesses and doubters were threatened http://mobile.wnd.com/1998/08/3288/

http://www.idfiles.com

http://bloodonherhands.com/more-suspicious-deaths-around-the-clintons-the-train-deaths/

http://www.oocities.org/theoctopus22/thetraindeaths.html

Godwillwin ago

Adding Melaney to the list :(

List of those who mysteriously died/were murdered while investigating pedo ring and/or trafficking: Aaron Swartz, Monica Petersen, Andrew Breitbart, Mike Rupert, Melaney Seth Rich, Ted Gunderson, Alan "Chip" Tatum, Senator Nancy Schaefer, Carole Kasir, Yaron Segal, Mary Mahoney, Eric Butera, Sean Parlaman, Bulic Forsythe, Gary Caradori, Katri Ikävalko and Anne Vihavainen, Bill Bowen, Senator Bobby Franklin, Senator Robert Brown, Melaney Parker, Kate Puzey

SturdyGal ago

@armyseer what do you mean by shill? To me a shill is someone who tries to deliberately shut down or redirect a line of inquiry. I may most definitely be mistaken, wrong, even nuts, but I never intentionally attempt to derail. I could certainly improve my research and be a little less lunatic in my observations, and I will do so in future, but I am not a shill. You are going out of your way to try to repress me and others and it makes you seem a little shilly. Why don't you do more research and let the mods mod?

ThighHighSwampBoots ago

Sorry. My sympathies.

salinaslayer ago

Gives you an idea of the kind of animals we're dealing with

Votescam ago

Madelaine Parker's Mother's report (http://www.dailykos.com/story/2014/3/28/1284762/-Like-a-dead-dog-on-the-tracks-Injustice-in-small-town-Texas-Part-1-the-Physical-World)) puts her in Chicago after Peace Corps at** Sue Duncan Children's Center **w/large population of children of color. http://www.sueduncanchildrenscenter.org/

Sue Duncan is mother of *Arne Duncan/Dem, former Secretary of Education *who has been very damaging in pushing charter schools and undermining public education.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/news/arne-duncan-education-secretary/

Votescam ago

Seems high interest in Marfa, Tx w/celebrities moving in http://www.instyle.com/news/ Art and an abandoned military base https://agmetalminer.com/2011/05/27/the-afterlife-military-base-chinati-marfa-texas/

tito333 ago

A family at that level knows just how dangerous things can get if they ask questions. They don't want to be the next Kennedys.

tito333 ago

This is great work.

OrwellKnew ago

Sorry to hear :(

thoughts and prayers for you and yours

OrwellKnew ago

My apologies. I was being hasty and careless with my remarks. Edited for clarity

MillennialHarvestMes ago

I tried searching some history on this Judge Guevara, but there is very little. I think it will take access to local Texas papers to look at her ruling history. You can find a few pdfs of local papers, but fairly banal stuff. Probably some kind of access to court records in Texas will be needed. I tried to concentrate searches for prior to 2015, back as far as 2000. Maybe local library sources in Texas?

salinaslayer ago

great stuff

catslovejustice ago

The first thing that hit me was why would a newly wed husband let his young wife who had been drinking, walk home alone after midnight from a bar in a border town? I know the article says "it was their thing" but it still sounds weird to me. The second thing that hit me was, why was this husband pushing for her to be cremated when there was obvious foul play (she had not committed suicide) and they did not have any autopsy results?

ThighHighSwampBoots ago

Thinking the same thing.

catslovejustice ago

Great minds think alike. ;)

bopper ago

You mean like this here? Damn trains, like the Russians. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8FH2KEjLcjs

bopper ago

I've been to both Mena and Marfa.

MyPresident ago

FOLLOWING THE MONEY

2014 Election of Cinderela Guevara: http://bigbendnow.com/2014/03/presidio-county-candidates-may-have-violated-campaign-finance-laws/

She did not file the required reports of campaign contributions. We have no idea who donated or how much.

Guess who OPTED not to prosecute?

ROD PONTON

A spokesman in the attorney general’s office explained that if there is a criminal matter at hand, the district attorney usually handles those cases and that the attorney general’s office only gets involved if a district attorney refers a case to them.

But 83rd District Attorney Rod Ponton, who has prosecutorial jurisdiction over Presidio County, said his office is not an investigative office.

“We don’t initiate cases on our own,” Ponton said.

contrary_mma_hipster ago

"Along with OP"

What on earth makes you think OP is a shill?

I went through your post history and actually I'm pretty sure you're the shill, all you do is concern troll and call others shills.

Piscina ago

Britian's top lawyer, John Jones QC, who represented Assange also 'suicided' under a train. I thought it interesting that he had stated that certain words 'triggered' him. His treating psychiatrist, Dr Periera, has a lot of answer for, as does the hospital where he was being treated.

Mr Jones was reluctant to open up because there were certain things he didn’t want to talk about and was convinced he would be “banished from the world” if he did, and that he felt “caught between the devil and the deep blue sea”. Mr Jones told Dr Pereira there were certain “trigger” words and films he had seen, any mention of which would set off his negative thought patterns.

https://louisgardayjr.com/2016/08/22/wikileaksinquest-rules-that-death-of-julian-assanges-lawyer-john-jones-qc-was-not-suicide-opening-door-to-law-suits-httpsarchive-isokvbu/ http://archive.is/stUPv

OrwellKnew ago

the pope francis, is a Jesuit. They are evil

SayWhatNOWAY ago

CAR – Child Abuse Recovery » Pope Francis found guilty of child trafficking, rape, murder childabuserecovery.com › pope-francis-f... Jul 20, 2014 - Pope Francis was also found to be a perpetrator in satanic child sacrifice rites while acting as an Argentine priest ..... This is how I found this Child Abuse Recovery Page, which I'd not heard of

rooting4redpillers ago

I don't think unlikely at all. If they can explain away Seth Rich and get away with it so easily, orchestrating an explainable JA death-by-Pizzagater, with inevitable MSM support, would be a piece of cake and would advance the almighty "fake news" agenda. Someone way, way up "there" must really want, or need, JA. At least for now. (Heya James, watch yur 6, cause they're watching you, while they're watching us.)

CantWeJustDroneHim ago

That's definitely the vibe I get.

21yearsofdigging ago

Yeah good work

Piscina ago

Interesting that Assange's lawyer also was declared to have 'suicided' after being hit by a train.

chickyrogue ago

maybe scalia is Not dead but disappeared he was on airforce one with obama so maybe a deal was reached

thats why the family is quiet ...obama get s to put someone else on the court and recommends a repub tpp guy [of course]

and scalia a bag of cash and the mystery abounds at infidum

Lileee1010 ago

Nope nothing to see here. Great work!! I wonder just how many coincidences it takes for somebody to do something. Hopefully after 1/20 it will be.

ALDO_NOVA ago

could be possible that her new husband was the one targeted and they killed her for something he knew or is involved in - should find out more about him

SturdyGal ago

Her husband was about 30 minutes behind her still at the bar. So I think they were waiting for her. If he were the target they would have just waited longer. She was killed less than 15 minutes after leaving the bar so I feel it was a specific target.

ALDO_NOVA ago

no I mean target - in that they wanted to get to him, but not kill him

kinda like the threat made by Alefantis other day to kill family members

like the threat made to Assange's children

yabbadoody ago

Dirt Turner-Overers are us. This is "muckraking" at it's finest and most prestigious.

CantWeJustDroneHim ago

You're not kidding about the Clinton body bags. This is somewhat off topic so I won't side track too much here, but I remember reading about some of my first modern conspiracies (non jfk/moon landing) online about the deaths tied to the Clintons early in the Bush II years

OrwellKnew ago

Catholics are evil. I know because I was (unfortunately) one

edit: Apologies. I should have said "the Catholic church". There are many great people in the church. The organization itself is evil. Especially the Jesuit order

mrjdouble ago

Check it out, some truth here. If you support filth, you are filth.

btw, are we all aware of the fact that the catholic church likely created Islam, which has lead to most of the worlds disputes since then?

Votescam ago

CIA: "Catholics in Action"

catslovejustice ago

Just certain ones.

fogdryer ago

Oh stop Not all Catholics are evil. I am not evil. There is an oblivious coverup. They get away with it cuz we don't scream loud enough Who was on that trip with him

OrwellKnew ago

My apologies. I was being hasty and careless with my remarks. Edited for clarity

ALDO_NOVA ago

the people....no - the church? YES

OrwellKnew ago

Yes, of course. I was being hasty and careless with my remarks. Edited for clarity

whorsquini ago

Yeah this is false. There is a reason the Catholic Church was chosen for infiltration around Vatican II. You need to do some more research on Catholicism deeper than the embedded pedos as of late. I am a Catholic and have challenged my faith. I came back because of the loads of observable corroborated miracles like Fatima 1917, the tilma of Guadalupe, various Eucharistic miracles, as well as the writings of the early Church (The ante-Nicean fathers - first three centuries), who wrote about the Church is a decidedly Catholic tone when dealing with the Bishop as Pope, the Eucharist as literal body and blood, liturgical practices, etc.

antiracistNew ago

corroborated miracles like Fatima 1917, the tilma of Guadalupe, various Eucharistic miracles

Faaaaaake.

@SarMegahhikkitha @bojangles @eagleshigh

whorsquini ago

Very easily said. It is more difficult to actually research. Nice touch getting your pals in an attempt to gang up. What are we Scientologists?

Guadalupe, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Our_Lady_of_Guadalupe#Beliefs_and_miracles -(it survived for hundreds of years longer than the fabric can possibly survive, it survived bombing, the "ink" overlays the fabric and does not even touch it, the eyes show detail impossible for the medium) Fatima, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miracle_of_the_Sun -(attested to by over 70,000 including those who went to mock it, it was pre-announced, it was raining and clothes were dried, best skeptics can say is that the sun didn't move in other areas, which does not address the tens of thousands of corroboration of a miraculous pre-announced event) Latest Eucharistic miracle, http://www.churchmilitant.com/news/article/polands-eucharistic-miracle-placed-in-reliquary -(verified by university of Wroclaw) Here is a small example of the the first century Church believed, http://www.therealpresence.org/eucharst/father/a5.html

Antiracist10 ago

I call them to a lot of my posts, not to gang up on you.

The sun didn't move in other locations.

Despite there being skeptics and newspapers, there weren't videos or photographs.

Mass hallucination is a thing.

A poor town brings in religious tourism.

The eucharist which appears to be heart muscle didn't have more rigorous tests performed, for example determining the sex and the genetic heritage.

When something is left behind closed doors, it is easy for someone to tamper with.

Naturalistic explanations are more probable than miraculous ones.

Other religions have the same sort of miracles.

Why would god perform a miracle to the faithful who already have faith, but not to the faithless? If he wanted, he could make his miracles louder and bigger and more certain to all.

@SarMegahhikkitha @bojangles @eagleshigh

whorsquini ago

Mass Hallucination is less likely than a miracle. For a miracle to be shown true all you have to do is show an outside force intervened in the laws of nature. Much like the unlikelihood of a card being guessed after being pulled from a deck of cards one merely needs just show the card for proof. If you can't get behind 70,000+ including hard core skeptics seeing the event (which destroys mass hallucination) and the clothes being dried then you are not familiar enough with epistemology. The sun not moving in other locations has nothing to do with a miracles in a particular location, which was also PRE-ANNOUNCED. The vision could have been sun-like and is easily amended/elaborated upon because it is much more likely something actually happened than the crowd was hallucinating. Here is the google image result for primary images of the event, https://www.google.com/search?q=miracle+of+the+sun+skeptic+newspaper&biw=1760&bih=864&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwiLsuaDnrHRAhUI6oMKHX7JCbIQ_AUICCgD#imgrc=_

Just because there is not MORE evidence in the Eucharistic miracle does not take away from the strength of the tests a professional lab conducted. If you you more information you can contact the lab. I also would point out the consistence with blood type these miracles have with the shroud of Turin.

On miracles and proof see my point above and the card analogy. They also do not violate natural laws as to always be less likely than naturalistic explanations. A miracle is God acting upon the causal natural system.

No other religion has the roots in history as the Judeo/Christian one. All others can only be shown as far as myth stories. As Tolkein said, Christianity is the only "true myth" insofar as it sounds like a myth story but actually has historical roots (I would reference Dr. Gary Habermas' minimal facts argument for the Resurrection where he uses only the data that around 95% of critical historians allow to make his inference, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ay_Db4RwZ_M)). Other outside miracles therefore would be on the demonic side given the unique and solid historical foundation of the Judeo/Christian and would be consistent within its framework.

Just because you do not like the evidence we have and want more/other does not take away from its strength. It only means we have no foundation for discussion

Antiracist10 ago

then you are not familiar enough with epistemology.

Hurf durf.

"You don't even understand null hypothesis, or apparently, epistemology." ~~~ Idiot @Crensch

@SarMegahhikkitha @bojangles @eagleshigh

Mass Hallucination is less likely than a miracle.

Math plz.

Just because there is not MORE evidence in the Eucharistic miracle does not take away from the strength of the tests a professional lab conducted.

Talking to plants makes them grow.

https://www.changeyourenergy.com/videos/detail/1084/Thought-Energy-and-Onion-Power-An-Experiment-in-Love

whorsquini ago

What I expected. Hurf durf.... Idiot.... Classic.

The only think worth replying to is that I do not need to show the "math" comparing two abductive arguments (mass hallucination versus an outside agent upon nature) because the issue on your end is an a prioi assumption that naturalistic explanations are always more likely than a miracle. It is a mistake to assume that because the presumed premise of God undermining natural law is false. God acts upon natural law as an agent.

You do not like the evidence so you are attacking from behind assumptions (nature always being more viable) and lack of precise information not available (you can contact the lab that examined the host) as to not address the links. Check out Habermas when you have some time to kill. Keep up the pizzagate research.

antiracistNew ago

then you are not familiar enough with epistemology.

https://voat.co/v/MeanwhileOnReddit/comments/795109/3968779

The only think worth replying to is that I do not need to show the "math" comparing two abductive arguments ... because the issue on your end is an a prioi assumption that naturalistic explanations are always more likely than a miracle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reference_class_problem

you can contact the lab that examined the host

The lab results aren't the problem. Tampering before it went to the lab is the problem.

@SarMegahhikkitha @bojangles @eagleshigh

whorsquini ago

I see from the deleted Voat link you sent me that you are truly a class act. This will be my last reply given what you have shown me.

Before we move to statistics, which is not required by an normal person in an informal online disagreement comparing two sets of data (mass hallucination versus outside agent acting on nature, where one merely needs to metaphorically show the guessed card as in my earlier analogy), we have the a prioi assumption of nature always overriding a miracle, which is a bad assumption. Moving on from there, hypothetically we can never establish a reference or baseline because you would never accept a miracle given the a prori assumption about naturalism. It would also be really difficult to show an established mass hallucination case where there are hard core skeptics present, so we end up coming back to an informal argument about two sets of data where you prefer to hurl insults.

If you have a problem or suspicion about the lab then take it up with the lab. Your random suspicion is not my problem.

antiracistNew ago

I didn't insult you, buddy.

CantWeJustDroneHim ago

All these "minor" people being suicided honestly makes me wonder how James Alefantis is still alive. He must have some pretty strong friendships up high, because his usefulness must be near gone at this point, he can't really do anything without a million eyes on him, so if he really a coordinator/handler for children, he Is essentially obsolete. Seems like he is just a liability at this point...

Votescam ago

Thinking same thing; Alefantis seems closely connected to Obama who will be moving on, but to what? Obama has rented house two doors down from Tony Podesta's house. http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/26/us/politics/obama-kalorama-washington-house.html?_r=0 Obama also purchased a "Mansion in Dubai" last January President Barack Obama purchased a mansion for $4.9 million in Dubai, United Arab Emirates (UAE).

The mansion was bought in early January 2016 by the Podesta Group. Not a website friendly to Obama, but further down read: Rear Admiral Richard Williams, Jr. was fired for leaking that Obama bought a mansion in Dubai, UAM, a non-extradition country and then is accused of "reading pornography while on duty."

In that search, up popped this from reddit which guess might have made it to Voat? John and Tony Podesta's mother adopted 25 kids after moving to Washington https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5g9ufz/john_and_tony_podestas_mother_adopted_25_kids/ http://bwcentral.org/2016/01/obama-purchased-a-mansion-in-dubai/ Is Obama continuing on in the business?

hanknut42 ago

in a folder titled Life Insurence just like Huma Abledian lol

turitelle ago

In the real world he'd be a liabilty, but for some reason he's listed as the 49th most influential person in DC. He must have the goods on a lot of higher-ups or something.

Baxterbaxter ago

He's so high profile at this point that I think they know if they suicided him we would be all over it.

crystalclearme ago

I don't necessarily think so. They could decide to throw him under the bus (train) or pull a Craig Spence on him.Being high profile has not always stopped them

DefenderOfTruth ago

They could always kill him off and blame "those crazy free-thinking fakenews-spreading pizzagate conspiracy theorists."

We'd call them out on that like we did with the fake Comet Pizza gun guy though, so their win wouldn't last long.

fuspezza ago

My guess is he has gotten out of deep dudu before they thought this was nothing he could get out of it but they were wrong. Boy oh boy were they really really wrong .

yabbadoody ago

which, in the longer-than -short-run, makes him DEAD AS A DOORNAIL...

crystalclearme ago

Yes you would think he knows this never plays out well for people in his position. The hubris of sociopaths and narcissists never ceases to amaze me

FriesischShipping ago

I've been thinking this guys gunna get whacked by his own crew for almost two months now.

CantWeJustDroneHim ago

Isn't that even more reason to eliminate the liability? Unless he has Assange style deadman switches.... Whoa.

mrjdouble ago

One would have to think he has something like this. I mean it's a super dangerous game, and if he is the point man for peddling all this filth, he'd totally have the goods to also bury people.

Only problem with it is that's assuming the good guys in the feds would be willing to take on the case.

From what FBIAnon was saying, they have the dirt already and there is plenty to convict a large portion of the gov't, however, until it's more widely accepted as truth in the kangaroo court of public opinion, their hands are more or less tied.

CantWeJustDroneHim ago

I know we have seen all this circumstantial evidence, and more and more it looks like FBIAnon info checks out, but even now I am having trouble wrapping my head around how ingrained this could be at high levels. Absolutely insane to me. Yet, Occam's Razor, on many subjects it feels like that is the obvious answer.

turitelle ago

Yes, that's what I mean, no doubt he has lots of goods on them as well a deadman switch. But I think more than that, he's one of them not just a peripheral player.

Whenever it gets too hot, they might prosecute "one of them" but these ones always get off with a slap on the wrist at worst. Look at the ridiculous sentence that sick pedophile Epstein got. And another sick creep, if anybody remembers that aspens guy Scooter Libby his crime didn't have to do with children but he was one of the in crowd too. His joke sentence was commuted by Bush so he didn't even see a day in jail.

BTW Libby wrote a book full of pedophilia and other depravity. http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2005/11/07/scooters-sex-shocker

bolus ago

I highly recommend at least one reliable dms. Two if you can.

KingKongisCTR ago

I always thought about the Clinton's when watching House of Cards. The train thing rings a bell.... And the main actor is buds with Epstein....

mrjdouble ago

Wait a second, you mean HoC's isn't a story that's based loosely on the Clintons?

Votescam ago

Assange's leading lawyer's was killed by train in October in UK. http://www.thepoliticalinsider.com/wikileaks-founder-julian-assanges-lawyer-found-dead/

Later, threats to Julian Assange and his still living lawyer came via emails from allegedly a T&C dating service which appeared to be trying to entrap him, including to push false charges/rumors about him -- and seemed to originate from many connected to Clinton Campaign. (I know the investigation is here/will look for link in archives)

ProudTruther ago

Yeah except the underwoods are more likeable, more competent, less evil more patriotic, harder to bribe and care more for the American people. also frank underwood was man enough to theough zoey barnes in front of a train himself.

BL4CKR4BBiT ago

Same way they killed the guy who was said to have been hired to kill Kurt Cobain.

hanknut42 ago

yah she just happened to end up on some train tracks thats the Clintions MO when the kids found them trafficing drugs in AK they placed their body on train tracks

OrwellKnew ago

Bingo! that was the first thing I though about was the "boys on the tracks"

Aysemari ago

Are you kidding you didn't amazing job investigating you got my vote

OrwellKnew ago

Thank you. I have "stage fright" sometimes because the mods are so harsh...lol

Aysemari ago

They are really not that bad they just have their hands full there's a lot of shills pretending to be something they're not. Renee you did an awesome job and I hope you keep it coming

quantokitty ago

This looks interesting. Good find.

JrSlimss ago

Kate Puzey was straight up murdered when she reported on child sex abuse by Peace Corp members in 2009. http://archive.is/31lWN

SturdyGal ago

Archived: https://archive.is/O0Eoc First time so hope I did it right. Awesome work OrwellKnew!

Orange_Circle ago

You did a great job!

Commonwombat ago

Great post!

derram ago

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