This is obviously a false flag. No reason whatsoever to believe Alefantis would have a phone call with some stranger investigating him and subsequently (criminally)threaten him and his family.
To all who fall for this, please turn on your brain.
Yes, we are having that conversation right now on Gab. Someone is REALLY, REALLY, REALLY convinced Alefantis threatened the guy...even though "James Alefantis" disappears from the cell phone screen and we have no idea who/what was posting the comments shown on the video. #SMFH
Yes, because at first they were talking on Facebook, and on Facebook messenger it has the name of the person at the top. Then, after the guy called JA, JA had his cellphone number and texted him. So then the other messages were in iMessage, and it didn't have the name at the top because the number hadn't been saved in his phone under any name. It doesn't indicate that he is lying at all. It just also isn't proof that it really is JA he's talking to. I think we should give the guy the benefit of the doubt, he seemed genuinely scared, and the way the conversations went seemed genuine, there was confusion and misunderstandings and questions being answered after a second question had been asked etc. I guess you could contrive that kind of text conversation but I don't think anyone would really think to do that to make it seem more authentic.
I think it is real, and most of "law enforcement" is compromised. I am having that fight as we speak. No one wants to deal with this. Cops are either too scared, being blackmailed, enjoying having their palms greased, or something. It is going to take a concerted effort to break through this shit.
That appears to be a comment I made on a different thread (or I thought I was posting to a different thread). Voat still confuses me. I get all of this stuff in my mailbox and sometimes it gets confusing. That post had NOTHING to do with the Pegasus video. I was referring to PizzaGate itself. This guy is a fraud. He is SO TERRIFIED that he refuses to go to law enforcement, but he SHOWS HIS FACE ON YOUTUBE? Yeah, that makes sense. If I think someone is going to kill me, the first thing I am going to do is run out and post my face all over the Internet so the killer(s) can identify me. Um. OK. Sure.
It was said in this thread that you created, seemingly in support of the content creator.
So the asshole is so arrogant that he allows someone to call him? Alefantis is an investigator's DREAM. Arrogant, thinks he is untouchable, willing to spar with anyone because he is "superior"...in other words, a textbook psychopath. SO, FBI, where are you again? Still on break? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EZQxYQ49p0U&feature=youtu.be
That's literally your post at the top of this page. Am I correct in my reading, when you originally started this thread, you were in support of the creator?
Um, someone posted a comment about my saying "...it is real"??? OMFG I am so confused. ANYWAY, the comment about being "real" was about PizzaGate. As for this video, if you read what I said, I did not deny there was some sort of contact between the Pegasus guy and Alefantis. I AM TALKING ABOUT THE FUCKING SO-CALLED DEATH THREAT. It is BOGUS. What part of that do you not follow???
Ok, I understand now. No need for hostility when I'm simply trying to figure out where you are coming from. Please stop typing in caps, it doesn't help your cause.
I type the way I type. And I am not hostile so much as frustrated. I do not like Voat's format in the first place; it is very difficult to follow ONE CONVERSATION when you get posts in your inbox from ten threads and have to pull up each one individually (thereby losing your place and you have to find the damned comment you are trying to answer). However, I thought I have been quite clear about this guy. I have posted about this video not only on here but on YouTube and Gab, and my comments have all been the same. Alefantis is an arrogant ass who for some ridiculous reason decided to answer a total stranger (but psychopaths do that; however since I am not a psychopath it really is hard to comprehend such behavior). But the idea that he was stupid enough to threaten someone in print is ludicrous. He is psychotic, but he is not stupid.
I'm on the fence, could be either really. I'm not ready to take a stance yet, but I do think it would be very stupid of Ryan to accuse JA publicly of death threats if it weren't true. JA could easily win a case in court. That's the part that keeps me interested. Why would Ryan accuse JA with allegations that could financially ruin him, possibly for the rest of his life, if he's lying. Maybe he caught JA on a coke binge, or drunk, and he wasn't thinking clearly (if he did make the threats).
Conversely, why would you make a video about a suspected pedophile/child trafficker/child murderer threatening to kill you when you have the evidence on your cell phone to have the guy locked up immediately?
He didn't have the threats on his phone from anything of what I saw. And it would be a good idea to go public if the threats were real, in hopes that might keep you a bit more safe with thousands of people knowing, all around the world, about the threats.
He was inferring threats from the family photo Alefantis allegedly posted. Nevertheless, which is safer? YouTube, or having the guy locked up?
I know if someone threatens to kill me, I call 911. I do not grab the nearest camcorder and hit YouTube.
Him posting the guys pictures isn't going to get him put in jail, unless there's a direct threat related through text afterwards. I agree it could go against JA if it ever went to court, but it's not going to get the police to go and arrest him. It's circumstantial, again which is worth using in a court case, but not going to get JA arrested.
I agree with you there, which gets us back to PUBLICITY STUNT. I find the story to be suspect in the first place, but even if everything happened the way he said it did...I have had people post bullshit to me on social media that was supposed to scare me. I completely blew it off, because they WANTED that reaction. IF Alefantis really did post that photo of the guy's family, the point was to scare him. Mission complete, and now Alefantis is having yet another good laugh.
I just would never have made that video, regardless. SMFH
If he truly felt threatened by Alenfantis, putting it all online for everyone to see and creating a public record is one of the smartest things he could have done.
You are completely missing the point. I get YOUR point, but there is no reason to post it online and NOT file criminal charges! At least file a fucking civil suit alleging intimidation, harassment, or something!
This is nothing but a PUBLICITY STUNT.
I very much enjoy sarcasm in real life. Through text, not so much. You miss all the physical cues of basic communication when you can't hear tone, read faces, and deduce body language. Sarcasm online when discussing serious topics isn't the greatest of ideas.
Perhaps you might consider a bit of self control should you choose to participate in conversation where truth and understanding are extremely important ;-)
Perhaps you need to not worry about how I present myself and concern yourself, instead, with facts. My personality has absolutely nothing to do with any-fucking-thing.
When you admittedly use incorrect/untrue information/communication in a conversation with me, then speak condescendingly to me for not being able to translate your use of random sarcasm through use of fonts, I can speak about the flaws in your ability to communicate clearly and honestly to me online on a topic of very serious discussion. ;-)
Keeping people honest and helping reduce instances where information can be misconstrued (eg: sarcasm) is a very important part of sharing information and communicating effectively on this topic/website. Don't let your need to be right or "smarter" than someone else cause unnecessary divide or hostility in our already small and somewhat divided community.
I lost my patience with idiots a long time ago, and PizzaGate is no exception. If people do not do their homework I am not going to spend my time holding their hands and playing tutor FOR NO PAY. I give out information I believe to be true. If it turns out not to be true, I correct it. But I am not in the business of coddling. I was not raised that way, and I am not going to start at this late point in my life.
Um, someone posted a comment about my saying "...it is real"??? OMFG I am so confused. ANYWAY, the "real" comment was about PizzaGate. As for this video, if you read what I said, I did not deny there was some sort of contact between the Pegasus guy and Alefantis. I AM TALKING ABOUT THE FUCKING SO-CALLED DEATH THREAT. It is BOGUS. What part of that do you not follow???
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Sentastixc ago
This is obviously a false flag. No reason whatsoever to believe Alefantis would have a phone call with some stranger investigating him and subsequently (criminally)threaten him and his family.
To all who fall for this, please turn on your brain.
LaDonnaRae ago
Yes, we are having that conversation right now on Gab. Someone is REALLY, REALLY, REALLY convinced Alefantis threatened the guy...even though "James Alefantis" disappears from the cell phone screen and we have no idea who/what was posting the comments shown on the video. #SMFH
SpikyAube ago
Yes, because at first they were talking on Facebook, and on Facebook messenger it has the name of the person at the top. Then, after the guy called JA, JA had his cellphone number and texted him. So then the other messages were in iMessage, and it didn't have the name at the top because the number hadn't been saved in his phone under any name. It doesn't indicate that he is lying at all. It just also isn't proof that it really is JA he's talking to. I think we should give the guy the benefit of the doubt, he seemed genuinely scared, and the way the conversations went seemed genuine, there was confusion and misunderstandings and questions being answered after a second question had been asked etc. I guess you could contrive that kind of text conversation but I don't think anyone would really think to do that to make it seem more authentic.
LaDonnaRae ago
So go to the police. Why the YouTube video? Press CHARGES! The video reeks of a publicity stunt.
pizzagatewillnotdie ago
You said this earlier, did you change your mind?
https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1541726/7504773
LaDonnaRae ago
That appears to be a comment I made on a different thread (or I thought I was posting to a different thread). Voat still confuses me. I get all of this stuff in my mailbox and sometimes it gets confusing. That post had NOTHING to do with the Pegasus video. I was referring to PizzaGate itself. This guy is a fraud. He is SO TERRIFIED that he refuses to go to law enforcement, but he SHOWS HIS FACE ON YOUTUBE? Yeah, that makes sense. If I think someone is going to kill me, the first thing I am going to do is run out and post my face all over the Internet so the killer(s) can identify me. Um. OK. Sure.
pizzagatewillnotdie ago
It was said in this thread that you created, seemingly in support of the content creator.
That's literally your post at the top of this page. Am I correct in my reading, when you originally started this thread, you were in support of the creator?
LaDonnaRae ago
Um, someone posted a comment about my saying "...it is real"??? OMFG I am so confused. ANYWAY, the comment about being "real" was about PizzaGate. As for this video, if you read what I said, I did not deny there was some sort of contact between the Pegasus guy and Alefantis. I AM TALKING ABOUT THE FUCKING SO-CALLED DEATH THREAT. It is BOGUS. What part of that do you not follow???
pizzagatewillnotdie ago
Ok, I understand now. No need for hostility when I'm simply trying to figure out where you are coming from. Please stop typing in caps, it doesn't help your cause.
LaDonnaRae ago
I type the way I type. And I am not hostile so much as frustrated. I do not like Voat's format in the first place; it is very difficult to follow ONE CONVERSATION when you get posts in your inbox from ten threads and have to pull up each one individually (thereby losing your place and you have to find the damned comment you are trying to answer). However, I thought I have been quite clear about this guy. I have posted about this video not only on here but on YouTube and Gab, and my comments have all been the same. Alefantis is an arrogant ass who for some ridiculous reason decided to answer a total stranger (but psychopaths do that; however since I am not a psychopath it really is hard to comprehend such behavior). But the idea that he was stupid enough to threaten someone in print is ludicrous. He is psychotic, but he is not stupid.
pizzagatewillnotdie ago
I'm on the fence, could be either really. I'm not ready to take a stance yet, but I do think it would be very stupid of Ryan to accuse JA publicly of death threats if it weren't true. JA could easily win a case in court. That's the part that keeps me interested. Why would Ryan accuse JA with allegations that could financially ruin him, possibly for the rest of his life, if he's lying. Maybe he caught JA on a coke binge, or drunk, and he wasn't thinking clearly (if he did make the threats).
LaDonnaRae ago
Conversely, why would you make a video about a suspected pedophile/child trafficker/child murderer threatening to kill you when you have the evidence on your cell phone to have the guy locked up immediately?
pizzagatewillnotdie ago
He didn't have the threats on his phone from anything of what I saw. And it would be a good idea to go public if the threats were real, in hopes that might keep you a bit more safe with thousands of people knowing, all around the world, about the threats.
LaDonnaRae ago
He was inferring threats from the family photo Alefantis allegedly posted. Nevertheless, which is safer? YouTube, or having the guy locked up? I know if someone threatens to kill me, I call 911. I do not grab the nearest camcorder and hit YouTube.
pizzagatewillnotdie ago
Him posting the guys pictures isn't going to get him put in jail, unless there's a direct threat related through text afterwards. I agree it could go against JA if it ever went to court, but it's not going to get the police to go and arrest him. It's circumstantial, again which is worth using in a court case, but not going to get JA arrested.
LaDonnaRae ago
I agree with you there, which gets us back to PUBLICITY STUNT. I find the story to be suspect in the first place, but even if everything happened the way he said it did...I have had people post bullshit to me on social media that was supposed to scare me. I completely blew it off, because they WANTED that reaction. IF Alefantis really did post that photo of the guy's family, the point was to scare him. Mission complete, and now Alefantis is having yet another good laugh. I just would never have made that video, regardless. SMFH
pizzagatewillnotdie ago
If he truly felt threatened by Alenfantis, putting it all online for everyone to see and creating a public record is one of the smartest things he could have done.
LaDonnaRae ago
You are completely missing the point. I get YOUR point, but there is no reason to post it online and NOT file criminal charges! At least file a fucking civil suit alleging intimidation, harassment, or something! This is nothing but a PUBLICITY STUNT.
pizzagatewillnotdie ago
He filed a police report
LaDonnaRae ago
I did not see that part. If he did, good. But then again, why no arrest? OH, that's right. Every cop in America is protecting Alefantis?
pizzagatewillnotdie ago
Here is the police report number.
https://sli.mg/tfmmJz
LaDonnaRae ago
OK, so now I get to pay for the police report to find out if this number has anything whatsoever to do with James Alefantis? SMFH
pizzagatewillnotdie ago
Online sleuthing isn't fun, easy, or cheap. I understand the frustration.
LaDonnaRae ago
I was being sarcastic. I am not going to sink one penny into this. And I am no longer "online sleuthing", anyway. I am on the ground.
pizzagatewillnotdie ago
Well, I guess I don't read sarcasm well on this board, because I try to maintain a serious tone so my words cannot be taken out of context.
LaDonnaRae ago
It is said that sarcasm is popular among those of high intellect. Others tend not to appreciate it so much.
pizzagatewillnotdie ago
I very much enjoy sarcasm in real life. Through text, not so much. You miss all the physical cues of basic communication when you can't hear tone, read faces, and deduce body language. Sarcasm online when discussing serious topics isn't the greatest of ideas.
LaDonnaRae ago
This is true, but some of us cannot help ourselves. Especially when the temptation is too much to resist. ;-)
pizzagatewillnotdie ago
Perhaps you might consider a bit of self control should you choose to participate in conversation where truth and understanding are extremely important ;-)
LaDonnaRae ago
Perhaps you need to not worry about how I present myself and concern yourself, instead, with facts. My personality has absolutely nothing to do with any-fucking-thing.
pizzagatewillnotdie ago
When you admittedly use incorrect/untrue information/communication in a conversation with me, then speak condescendingly to me for not being able to translate your use of random sarcasm through use of fonts, I can speak about the flaws in your ability to communicate clearly and honestly to me online on a topic of very serious discussion. ;-)
LaDonnaRae ago
In other words, you care NOTHING about the topic. You would rather engage in minutia. Go to work for CNN and leave the rest of us to WORK.
pizzagatewillnotdie ago
Keeping people honest and helping reduce instances where information can be misconstrued (eg: sarcasm) is a very important part of sharing information and communicating effectively on this topic/website. Don't let your need to be right or "smarter" than someone else cause unnecessary divide or hostility in our already small and somewhat divided community.
LaDonnaRae ago
I lost my patience with idiots a long time ago, and PizzaGate is no exception. If people do not do their homework I am not going to spend my time holding their hands and playing tutor FOR NO PAY. I give out information I believe to be true. If it turns out not to be true, I correct it. But I am not in the business of coddling. I was not raised that way, and I am not going to start at this late point in my life.
LaDonnaRae ago
Um, someone posted a comment about my saying "...it is real"??? OMFG I am so confused. ANYWAY, the "real" comment was about PizzaGate. As for this video, if you read what I said, I did not deny there was some sort of contact between the Pegasus guy and Alefantis. I AM TALKING ABOUT THE FUCKING SO-CALLED DEATH THREAT. It is BOGUS. What part of that do you not follow???