Investigate1999 ago

I have never heard of Stratfor, I think. What was wrong with those posts? I don't have time to read them.

Investigate1999 ago

I agree that operatives can use those techniques, but being aware of them doesn't prevent them from being effective. A slide is a slide and deletion is deletion.

redditsuckz ago

Another example of a tactic used is when shills use multiple accounts to control the narrative and perception and use Neuro-linguistic programming (NLP) by calling something "silly" and a "crazy post" when in fact they are trying to get people looking away from the evidence that ALL those at CIA Stratfor are NAMBLA members...

2impendingdoom ago

:)

pizzagate/wiki

2impendingdoom ago

I know, there are a lot of people here investing a lot of time looking for real evidence and loose connections are going to have to come up before they can be verified or debunked. Its just the process. Making sure that wrong info or false accusations are not perpetuated is just as important in uncovering the truth. The wiki has a list of debunked leads... The problem with this investigation is that the actual evidence is likely to be CP which we cannot browse, or an actual statements of guilt which is not likely (unless illegally hacked) everything else is a building of circumstantial evidence.

chronos ago

Gentleperson? Fuck off back to reddit!

2impendingdoom ago

This is the title of the source. I am not convinced that there are any gentlepeople here...

Htaed ago

Britain just failed to recruit enough shills for its shill army.

Htaed ago

My guess is there are about 38 shills in total on this forum.

2impendingdoom ago

I just noticed that all the current posts are being down voated equally, so that kind of defeats the purpose, and doesn't work to bury anything. What an Idiot.

WindowsInJudgement ago

Thanks for posting this. Soon I will be downvoating the hell out of wimpy posts!

Edit: He'll/hell

Edit 2 : newbie learned to archive. I will reuse this thanks again OP

http://archive.is/R4mAI

2impendingdoom ago

Do some good research and post it, that will get you upvoats fastest. I recommend finding Freed0mFighters 5 posts from around Christmas that had about 40 real CF leads that needing digging. I'm not seeing a lot of follow up on that, and I have been watching the Kay Griggs videos (which I posted a link to) and will be back to digging soon....

WindowsInJudgement ago

Hi thanks for the advice. I'm only about 3 voats off. I decided to get them organically but once I got to about 96 I got excited!!

My personal research is tied up in connecting the European cases to the ones from the US. I'm looking into the http://hampsteadcoverup.com/

It's actually the most shocking evidence connecting ritual child abuse and satanism. It's worth looking into but deeply disturbing.

Keep fighting the good fight

FritzTheKat ago

excellent link..thank you

2impendingdoom ago

I look forward to reading what you've found.

turitelle ago

Seventeen Techniques for Truth Suppression

Strong, credible allegations of high-level criminal activity can bring down a government. When the government lacks an effective, fact-based defense, other techniques must be employed. The success of these techniques depends heavily upon a cooperative, compliant press and a mere token opposition party.

  1. Dummy up. If it’s not reported, if it’s not news, it didn’t happen.

  2. Wax indignant. This is also known as the “How dare you?” gambit.

  3. Characterize the charges as “rumors” or, better yet, “wild rumors.” If, in spite of the news blackout, the public is still able to learn about the suspicious facts, it can only be through “rumors.” (If they tend to believe the “rumors” it must be because they are simply “paranoid” or “hysterical.”)

  4. Knock down straw men. Deal only with the weakest aspects of the weakest charges. Even better, create your own straw men. Make up wild rumors (or plant false stories) and give them lead play when you appear to debunk all the charges, real and fanciful alike.

  5. Call the skeptics names like “conspiracy theorist,” “nutcase,” “ranter,” “kook,” “crackpot,” and, of course, “rumor monger.” Be sure, too, to use heavily loaded verbs and adjectives when characterizing their charges and defending the “more reasonable” government and its defenders. You must then carefully avoid fair and open debate with any of the people you have thus maligned. For insurance, set up your own “skeptics” to shoot down.

  6. Impugn motives. Attempt to marginalize the critics by suggesting strongly that they are not really interested in the truth but are simply pursuing a partisan political agenda or are out to make money (compared to over-compensated adherents to the government line who, presumably, are not).

  7. Invoke authority. Here the controlled press and the sham opposition can be very useful.

  8. Dismiss the charges as “old news.”

  9. Come half-clean. This is also known as “confession and avoidance” or “taking the limited hangout route.” This way, you create the impression of candor and honesty while you admit only to relatively harmless, less-than-criminal “mistakes.” This stratagem often requires the embrace of a fall-back position quite different from the one originally taken. With effective damage control, the fall-back position need only be peddled by stooge skeptics to carefully limited markets.

  10. Characterize the crimes as impossibly complex and the truth as ultimately unknowable.

  11. Reason backward, using the deductive method with a vengeance. With thoroughly rigorous deduction, troublesome evidence is irrelevant. E.g. We have a completely free press. If evidence exists that the Vince Foster “suicide” note was forged, they would have reported it. They haven’t reported it so there is no such evidence. Another variation on this theme involves the likelihood of a conspiracy leaker and a press who would report the leak.

  12. Require the skeptics to solve the crime completely. E.g. If Foster was murdered, who did it and why?

  13. Change the subject. This technique includes creating and/or publicizing distractions.

  14. Lightly report incriminating facts, and then make nothing of them. This is sometimes referred to as “bump and run” reporting.

  15. Baldly and brazenly lie. A favorite way of doing this is to attribute the “facts” furnished the public to a plausible-sounding, but anonymous, source.

  16. Expanding further on numbers 4 and 5, have your own stooges “expose” scandals and champion popular causes. Their job is to pre-empt real opponents and to play 99-yard football. A variation is to pay rich people for the job who will pretend to spend their own money.

  17. Flood the Internet with agents. This is the answer to the question, “What could possibly motivate a person to spend hour upon hour on Internet news groups defending the government and/or the press and harassing genuine critics?” Don t the authorities have defenders enough in all the newspapers, magazines, radio, and television? One would think refusing to print critical letters and screening out serious callers or dumping them from radio talk shows would be control enough, but, obviously, it is not.

SOURCE with links, etc.: http://cryptome.org/2012/07/gent-forum-spies.htm

2impendingdoom ago

that was a crazy post, and anyone at reddit who believes it has more problems than pizzagate. Let's just assume that it will get any other people looking at Stratfor and thinking why does Stratfor even exisit??

Millennial_Falcon ago

number 3 is the main problem we're dealing with here on /v/pizzagate.

Ihatepizza2 ago

Open discussion is the only way we can as a group discern truth. Please use your mod powers wisely and let the conversation happen. Serious contributors can handle the shills on their own, they dont need handholding. Yes we will get some stuff 100% wrong, but facts will build, truth will out, and only in that way can we ever achieve even a foothold on the playing field.

fifibrindacier ago

And number 2 also. With fakes stories and peoples screaming shills.

Millennial_Falcon ago

that, too!

2impendingdoom ago

I know, this post is guilty of that, isn't it. I have it at pizzagatewhatever too, but I think that its important for us to know how to discriminate the information and the comments, I don't expect this post to sit here long, but if if helps a few people in a short time, thats ok too

Investigate1999 ago

I would have respected you more, if you asked him to put a link in a sticky to your post at the whatever subverse. Why do you have to dilute this subverse? It's just rhetorical question.

2impendingdoom ago

its okay, I don't respect myself either. Mods chose to let this stay, don't know why, probably because nobody reads /whatever/ and the shills have been on overtime

Investigate1999 ago

Yeah, that makes sense. I think that the mods have given up on encouraging the use of those forums. I noticed that a lot of posts have been supported by the mods, even though they don't contribute evidence to specifics about the investigation. It's no wonder that some members are accusing the mods of being shills.

I think that the truth is that 99.999% of the people here are useful idiots, because of their stubbornness and lack of experience in the important things.

By the way, you've earned a bit more respect from me by being honest about yourself.

I wish you the best.

Millennial_Falcon ago

I know, this post is guilty of that, isn't it.

well, sort of, but it's pointing out the problem, so... pretty relevant IMO.

WindowsInJudgement ago

With pizzagate it's partially no. 3 and partially that there is a fuck ton of circumstantial evidence. It's hard to discern sometimes.

This body of evidence should be in front of a judge or a legal team. It's unfortunate that the public even have to investigate this

2impendingdoom ago

It absolutely is insane that our government is so corrupt. We need a grand jury and a massive class action lawsuit for RICO and Treason. but I'm not a lawyer.

dickface8 ago

This is part of the reason we need a constantly updated "top 25 most vital findings" thread or something like that to keep those things in the light and also to make a solid case.

gopluckyourself ago

The problem with that is it's only possible to have 1 sticky thread at a time :/

postfascion ago

Yup, a zero hedge style, multimple "featured" scenario would be good. Keep this post on there permanently.

2impendingdoom ago

The tactics (see the links for all of them) are used in real life too, with MSM, basically what the Fake News Russian hacking/CPPshooter is being used to discredit us...

gopluckyourself ago

ayee probly gonna be deleted for rule 4 but I like it. I would suggest also posting this over on /v/pizzagatewhatever and whatever other subs you can think of.

2impendingdoom ago

I posted it there too, but I also put it here until its removed.....