Jim D. is a very serious researcher in the JFK community. I'm not (I've taken in a lot of interviews of many people but haven't studied source materials much myself), but I do take what he says seriously, at least where JFK is concerned. YMMV, but I don't brush off Jim D. casually.
Everything is subjective. Mods are always going to have to make judgment calls. It's a very slippery slope if we allow posts based on wild speculation. It's not suppression of speech. If substantive evidence can be found, it can be posted here.
rule 1, 2 every claim in your post must be sourced. We left it up for this long to see if anything would come of it. As it has not I will now go ahead and delete it as it really doesn't follow rule 2. Please repost to /v/pizzagatewhatever
If I were to take anything from this it would be this comment: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1523230/7409123
I think this would make for a great discussion post and might actually lead to somewhere.
Cheers Will keep this angle in the back burner of my mind.
All good, hot stuff, and grateful you kept it going for a long while. I think most folk got the gist. Truthfully, it was starting to fill up with tiresome and tautological comments. Glad it was digested by a huge majority XX
I've watched many of the crisis actor videos, they are very convincing, begs the question who are these actors, with what's at stake it would seem that being loyal to the cause, signing secrecy docs, that sort of thing would not be enough. Would these need to be people who are blackmailed for something, kids enslaved in some way, or their parents in trouble, or brainwashed? I don't know, just seems like you can't just audition in a normal way for this sort of thing. Do any of these people have a criminal history that would make them vulnerable? Maybe they had a kid killed by guns?
$$$$$ mortgages, college loans paid off. Blackmail, yes. People sell their grandmotherw for a dollar. Everyone has a price. EVERYONE. Even Mother Theresa was a calculating old witch. People desperate for fame, even if that means shitty acting in a psy op. Companies that specialize in Crisis Management/Actors. No different to what you see portrayed on shows like Scandal and Ray Donovan.
Respectfully, if you could just stick to finding and posting relevant links for this thread.
Respectfully the thread will die if you don't widen the net, very little is known about how this crisis acting works, and we're not going to find legitimate connections without going down rabbit holes, hitting dead ends, and climbing back out. It's unlikely you'll be able to connect alefantis in any meaningful way without more deeply investigating who are the players in crisis acting and how it works. As citizen investigators we're limited primarily to making associations, the hard evidence is in the money trails, phone records, etc that we don't have access to. All we can realistically hope to do is put people in the same place, in association, in activity together, close enough to create widespread demand for answers. Everything we know about pizzagate to date was found in that way. The FBIanon stuff is interesting, but none of it has led to anything concrete. We don't seem to be getting any real help from feds, perhaps the opposite. The associations should be an inroad for professional investigation, but your connection, which is a very good and likely one, has a VERY important implication, if alefantis is working with white house regarding crisis acting, then the feds have good reason to cover it up, all of it, including anything else alefantis may be involved in. If he's a key player in crisis acting they can't take him down for pedophilia if they have something on each other. They can't even suicide him if he's a key person in distribution of children involved in crisis acting, actors work for him, important properties are in his name, etc... Consequently, then pizzagate needs to go away, as instead of uncovering the elites playground, it would uncover a vast conspiracy leading directly to the POTUS re Sandy Hook et al, and everywhere the crisis actors have showed up. It would explain a lot of what we've seen in how is being managed via the MSM and fake news narrative. That would make alefantis a very powerful person indeed!
I think you've made a very key connection her smokemirrors, this connection fits better with everything we know, sort of a unified pizzagate theory, it doesn't have the flaws the others have had, the tunnels and basements, it makes the pedophilia a sidenote, not the end game.
Yeah, the crisis actor connection -- ifffffff it's true -- would definitely put everything in a whole new light. The desperate panic chorus of "fake news!" from the Grand Wurlitzer would make even more sense than it already does.
Keep pulling on those threads, everybody. This sweater isn't going to last forever. :-)
I can tell you right now, with what I am reading about the CIA being the beginning and the end of this sex slave network that Alephantis is at least indirectly associated with Sandy Hook-he is apparently one of the CIA managers of this at the very top-you will never understand PIZZAGATE or International pedophilia until you understand the CIA and its CENTRAL INVOLVEMENT IN THIS AFFAIR
All of the links are here on VOIT re CIA,
its there if you do the reading, there are enough posts re: the CIA and their involvement on this board alone to get up to speed
there have been ample reports that identify Alephantis (one of 50th most powerful people in DC) as a CIA handler, that being the case his proximity to the most powerful people in the world puts him at the top of this CIA program,
if you study Sandy Hook esp. Fetzner this is part of same group, CIA organized crime with these False-Flag shootings
I don't agree with everything said in that article, but it does lay out ample basis for caution re: Fetzer, IMO.
That said, Fetzer has put out a lot of material and tons of interviews, and there is a lot of gold in them thar hills along with the less desirable stuff. Just be careful.
I'll take a look at the link,
he is fervently ripping Pizzagate to the airwaves so that is good,
I am concerned about him working for that CRIMINAL at Veterans Today, however,
otherwise he has been a solid stand-up guy, unless I see some iron proof otherwise:)
Watched Killswitch re SOPA and Aaron Swartz another suicided subversive. Fake News is SOPA 2.0. this seems all intertwined, crisis acting, fake news, censorship, controlling the message.
great, but what's James Alefantis/Pizzagate's exact role. Everything you post is stuff everyone already knows. Please try to stay relevant if possible.
Suggesting if you're looking to make connection between alefantis and crisis acting, you might find it by going back through some of the old info, his connection to film making, these properties, what are they being used for? If he is involved in the crisis acting and he has directorial experience, he may be involved in the logistics, which would have to be somewhat substantial, crisis actors would be managed in some way, as secrecy would be very important? People with certain expertise would be used? Then tapes released to news networks? Rely on compromised blackmailed persons? Just thinking through how all that would work.
I'm wondering about the properties connected to alefantis, there have been lists posted and it's long, like twentyish houses, don't think anyone's ever followed up to see what all these properties are? Does he own rentals or safe houses or house crisis actors or hold properties in his name for other people who don't want to be connected? Owning a bunch of rentals doesn't get you to the top of Washington's most powerful list. Alefantis is a director, the guy who came into comet with a gun is an actor, here anon is loosely connecting alefantis to crisis actors, those dots do connect well in theory. Just throwing this out there, what if he is THE director, running the production company, employs and houses the crises actors, etc... Maybe a little CP and snuff on the side. The party room at comet looks kinda like a screening room, blacked out, black curtains everywhere, is there a dropdown screen we missed?
Thanks Mtnchan. Great and thought provoking comment. I had the same 'gut' ages ago, when he first gave this ad hoc interview outside of Comet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EyzqskdmMI
Again, not based on anything other than my knowing a few director types. Alefan definitely has an air of 'command' about him, whether you like him or not. The 'fixer', the 'dealer' the 'crisis management' dude. What you are saying fits very well with what I'm hoping both myself and others may be able to definitively prove.
Wouldn't prove anything, but would be nice to know if there was a projector in the back wall of the party room at comet and drop down screen. Would make more sense what they might use the room for after-hours, as opposed to going into the controversial basement. Then they're laughing at us bc we don't know how it works. There's also been some hints that off site kill rooms live feed for paid subscriber viewing? That would connect with what the local guy was accusing, people there after hours, paying for murders. Yet no one is directly connected to the crimes and nothing to clean up. Just brainstorming, totally speculative.
thats a bit much. I don't think anyones being killed down there ffs. If anything a rehearsal room for these young 'actors' with fake blood and whatever.
Perhaps, but then that leaves all the pedophile evidence just hanging as hipster doofus shit they claim it is and I don't by that. Most of the pedophile porn in the dark web, according to articles I've read, is torture related, that seems to be a preference for pedos, so it's not out of the question. It's very possible that all of the above are true, that he is CIA involved in the crisis production bc he's a compromised leveraged blackmailed asset ie they picked him up on CP years ago and made him do the crisis thing. Friend of the elites, gets them disposable play things. There's a lot here, some of it will be true some will not be true. It's likely that perversion is a part of it.
I recall thinking in the video where alefantis have the tour, he seemed really nervous when asked about the back room, and hustled through quickly. People thought there was something behind the curtains, another door into the tunnels, there are videos saying people were going in and not coming out, I think they were just going out the back door to the parking lot, probably even to smoke.
Mods, OP here. Just really wanted to say I really appreciate you keeping this thread up, and near the top. Thanks so much. I understand it may be perceived as a grey area, but I do believe we've stumbled onto something here that is key.
Thank you again.
First off, the second video is flat out freaky. That's for adding that. Second, there was a commenter here yesterday who said that Newtown was a normal town, Adam Lanza was real and the shooting was exactly what it appeared. It reminded me of a friend who recently said she had really enjoyed visiting Clearwater FL. I asked her if she knew that Scientologists run that town and she said no. Upon reflection she was weirded out she didn't realize something was amiss. So I'm quite sure if you have a govt controlled small town that it "appears" normal and may even have "normal" people in the population who are completely unaware of what is actually going on.
Interesting that Anderson Cooper is holding up a drawing of an owl (Owl of Minerva) at the start of the video of him. I also wonder if Obama won't call Isis "Isis" because the elite are so fond of her. Just a thought.
but all the psy ops, sorry I meant 'gun tragedies' have totally obviously fake crisis actors. There's a reason they didn't make it in Hollywood. Some links below, but would love to keep this thread relevant to Alefantis being part of the fake narrative/supplier of moving parts, if possible.
Whoever (take a guess on the 'who') is setting up all of these, counts on the majority of sheeple believing it. And for years, they have. Think of your own relatives and friends who think youre a loon for talking about pizzagate.
We work our asses off enforcing very four simple, important rules (1-4 are the ones most commonly broken), to keep shills from spamming this sub with useless content. This post in particular could arguably have been deleted, but instead it was flaired. You're very misguided if you think we're the enemy. I also worked my ass off creating the current summary sticky. I would have more time to work on additions to it if I wasn't having to be involved in enforcing posting rules and responding to attacks on mods.
Wolfgang Halbig has asked under FOIA for the school records of the 26 children who went to the Super Bowl. There would need to be permissions slips signed by parents and turned into the school.
Further, Halbig maintains that these children have never been seen nor heard from again after this trip. Should be investigated for their proof-of-life and well being
Certainly relevant to the pizzagate figures -- central figure -- Alefantis .... and White House visits with Obama around the time of Sandy Hook. If Tory Smith is correct here -- there may be "hi-speed trains" North/South - East/West -- Midwest -- underground. And connecting to White House -- also close to Pentagon.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KnSwOQzJuA ... Washington, DC to LA -- 30 minutes?
Tory Smith begins somewhere around 6 minutes on video --
Tour of underground tunnels about 9 minutes into video.
Why would they use the White House as a meeting point? Let alone a trafficking point for hundreds of people? This is just stupid and taking away from everything else. People here are just too anxious for a new break that they'll cling to any suggestion. This is the type of behavior that gives conspiracy theories a bad rap.
Because the WH is the hub of so much nefarious activity-Obama had Muslim prayers, groups, terrorists etc. and such going on in the WH-which is absolutely unheard of in the WH
I would love to hear it, but I am not aware that this kind of anti-American subversive shit was going on in the WH (though I am sure shit has always gone on...)
This is a thread worth visiting-we know Alefantis is most probably part of organized sex traffic, if there is a connection to Pozer then that IS noteworthy,
this needs following up
Are you imagining that Alefantis walks into the Oval Office bringing 26 kids or so with him?
No -- go to about 6 minutes on this video -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KnSwOQzJuA
If there's a Hi-speed RR as is being suggested -- DC to LA in 30 mins -- there would also be an underground area where children are kept awaiting next step in transportation. But, let's say Alefantis comes in to see Obama to confirm they are back -- or on their way out?
Btw, we'll soon be losing this Obama link -- unless somehow Trump is involved in this?
Obama has bought a house in Tony Podesta's area so presume he intends to spend some time in DC.
(Collecting money, perhaps?)
After that, be sure to watch the tour of the underground areas below DC -- which also passes close to Pentagon.
That's at about 9:00 on the video.
You omitted to say that Tory Smith is a psychic. Seems to me that it's very possible that there are underground tunnels and passage ways, even possibly train tracks under the tunnels, but to take the testimony of Smith as evidence of child trafficking, sexual abuse and murder is a bit ridiculous. Not saying that he is lying, but definitely not reliable.
1 -- we know that sexual abuse and torture were advocated by our CIA -- basically our government!!
2 -- the tunnels under DC exist -- did you watch the video?
3 -- The video didn't come to you with instructions that you had to believe it -- it was offered as info.
You decide what to believe or not.
As I recall, there has been confirmation about what Tory Smith is reporting from military
whistleblowers. But -- again, that's up to anyone looking at the video to consider for themselves.
What we also know is that our government has been totally corrupted --
and that the rise of the right wing has brought great violence to the world everywhere.
Like any other corruption, in order to exist it has to be being protected by higher ups in government.
Me neither. I just saw him on the YT video linked above by votescam. Mr. Smith (a psychic) talks about 'visions' of 127 children being raped and killed by government, military and agencies' officials. He also names Eric Holder, Joe Biden and B. Obama as 3 of the abusers.
Makes sense to me. If you watch the Sandy Hood news broadcast replays, you'll see Omar Mateen's dad, with his big goofy smile in the background.
Then BAM! He turns up as a home-grown terrorist (actor's) father and then he shows up on stage right behind Hillary at a campaign rally.
Wouldn't be surprised if we found little Omar in some of the footage. Maybe that was him playing the Posner child that also played a dead kid in that Palestinian school shooting.
Google Sandy Hook DHS sign and Omar shows up in the background of the report the news guy is filing. It should be the first video that pops up using those search terms.
Gene Rosen, silly Gene Rosen. Until 'Alison Parker's' fake fiance 'Chris Hurst,' Rosen was the award-winner for most over acting by a crisis actor ever.
Christine Leinonen is going for the gold with her impression of 'Gays not Guns.' Look out Allison Parker... (like some cheesy PanEm newscaster would say it)
We need to prove that James has any connection to the actual actors/children without any separation. The children from Sandy Hook have been officially seen with Obama in the White House. We need to see the date those pictures were taken and maybe line them up and research?
Im trying. Any pics on Alefuckers Facebook/Insta (Insta not so popular in 2013 where he might have been at Superbowl 2013 held in New Orleans? Or were any of these 'kids' spotted in the DC/Comet PP/rehearsal space or nearby, at any dates prior? What does Jennifer Hudson know?(She sang with them)
Speaking about Jennifer Hudson, something very weird about her, too. Her mom, brother and cousin were all killed by a 'random' shooter. He claimed 'police conspiracy'....Jennifer very tight with the Obamas. Hmmm.
I think everyone starts freaking out when we post things that are very hard for the general population to accept - sandy hook and 9/11 being false flags/planned by the Govt - is just too much for them to handle. So they don't want to bring those topics up here so we aren't called crazy. Reptilians is another one they don't like. Lol. I totally understand that one scaring people off. But podesta, Alefantis, and wiener all look reptilian - just sayin. But No I dont believe in aliens and I'm on the fence about sandy hook and 9/11. I'm more convinced 9/11 was planned than I am sandy hook was
amazing how Podesta/Alefuck/Wiener all look completely mentally dearranged and slimy as hell. Podesta is just the physical embodiment of what a creepy pedo looks like. 9/11 no question. We're all on Voat/Pizzagate because we're alt thinkers. If you were middle america saying 'conspiracy theory', I get it. But Im amazed folk who chose to gather here don't see the 100% clear psy op that is Sandy Hook.
Im looking forward to the 9/11 uprising. Have you been to the 9/11 museum in New York? Take a vomit bucket with you. Don't even ask how much this scam 'non-profit' (lol) is making. This is not the thread for that conversation. https://voat.co/v/911truth
I haven't been, but their putting a mosque in the place of the towers is quite Suspect. This globalism movement is frightening. Kerry's speech yesterday was ludicrous and all the while McCain is harping on punishing Russia?!! They are begging for wars. They're already responsible for Iraq, Syria, and Libya. They're fanning the flames in an effort to destabilize Israel and they're pushing Putin's buttons for no freaking reason. Next up they'll go poking the crazies in North Korea. How the public can't see through this or at least question it is mind boggling. Obama is kicking his globalism agenda into high gear while people are on holiday not noticing. Then when the poop hits the fan under Trump's watch, they zombies will all blame Trump because they weren't paying attention this week.
More than the obvious acting here, what further shocks me is that a mom and her kid are just calmly standing outside a school where 20 kids have just been massacred instead of you know GETTING THE FUCK OUT OF THERE.
On a good amount of those the signals are in motion after the child said the lines. Like, the kid says a line about stomachs hurting, and then the ladies to the motions.
I noticed the same thing. Still, the actions of the mom are a bit strange and do seem like they could be cuing. Maybe it's a bit of both: the mom gives cues when she's not sure the girl will remember, but the girl remembers most of the time just as the motions are occurring.
Total speculation, obviously. The emotional valence of the girl is the really blatant "tell" here; that kid is not acting like a normal kid who just went through a traumatic event involving multiple deaths -- at least IMO.
I'd have to disagree, this feels more like speculation without further facts to back it up. Other pizzagate related material is support by facts, even if they are circumstantial they are abundant and overwhelming. Obviously we should consider every lead, but not ever lead will pan out as some sort of smoking gun or truth. Some rabbit holes end, some go on to other tunnels. It does not do anyone any good to find an end of a rabbit hole only to keep digging saying it has to be true.
There are some things that are connected, as is pizzagate, some things are not connected, not every ill in the world can be traced back to the origins of pizzagate, clintons, podesta, etc. Sometimes random shit happens and strange links will occur even when they are disconnected. This background noise exist in all events and people. Everyone of us here would likely have some first or secondary connection to pizzagate at some point in their lives, but it doesn't make you part of it.
What you have to do is look for the connections of circumstantial evidence that greatly outweigh that background noise. Leave no stone unturned, but bringing back every pebble of sand from the beach saying each are a smoking gun just makes every grain of sand worthless.
Honestly, I think half the stuff that has been reaching the front page of this sub is shill material there to piss in the pool and murky the waters. There isn't just CTR here, you have some intel folks here as well.
Sasha Lord his event planner is connected to the Hawaii Connection, somehow. And as far as James, I think he hosts and sources kids from Podesta for the Satanic community/rituals
I'm not discussing this in the capacity of a mod. I'm just challenging what seemed like yet another unwarranted attack on the mods, which is irresponsible and has been done by shills on here since Day 1, as part of their "deny, disrupt, discourage" strategy.
This is about PIZZAGATE. If you're trying to tie this to Sandy Hook then you're a shill. Now run along now back to CTR and tell David Brock he's got just under a month to find a new job. Muahahahahaha
I concede to my choice of words. Sorry for the over-generalized assumption (based on experience and environment in my lifetime). I apologize profusely.
No sarcasm. That actually made me feel better. Sometimes you get these convictions, and you're desperate to share, and have others see exactly what you see. Then a bunch of randos pour shit on you and its deflation. Thanks again, LoiturdFerguson.
This sub is going downhill fast if you are getting that many upvotes for implying the mods are compromised because one of them flaired this for relevance. The only evidence OP offers is that Alefantis visited the white house a couple days before and after Sandy Hook. It's an extremely loose connection. Ockham's Razor would suggest it's a coincidence. I didn't flair the post, but I agree with whoever did. They exercised restraint by not just deleting it. I don't see the reasoning for connecting Sandy Hook and pizzagate. If someone has more evidence, please share it.
You sound hurt. Can I help? 1. You infer what is not implied. A simple question is not an accusation. If voat's voting system works, what have you to worry about? 2. Sometimes leads are thin, this doesn't mean they should be negated. To say that Alefantis visited the White House two days before they served pizza at the U.S. Embassy in Turkey would be a 'loose connection.' The relevance is clear in this case. 3. The restraint was appreciated by the community. The power mods have is to be used with wisdom; which I see lacking in many respects. 4. If Sandy Hoax can be connected to Alefantis or any portion of Pizzagate, even if it were for comic value it would still be worth investigating. The reasoning is clear; to find out how far this goes and bring it down. Simple.
If voat's voting system works, what have you to worry about?
Shills have been attacking the mods on here from Day 1, part of their "disrupt, deny, discourage" strategy. There is plenty of reason to be concerned. They upvote brigade their own concern-troll posts to try to create a bandwagon effect by creating a false sense that the userbase here agrees with their attacks.
yeah, but look at it from the mod's point of view. they are few, and posts are many.
if this thing escalates to Sandy Hook, and then to Crisis Actors -- when do you call halt? When do you stop saying, Oh My? If there are pictures to tie these together, especially the "before" pictures/footage -- damn. That's pretty tight. along with the donation webpages that went up immediately. IF you can tie the kids to CPP, you tie the kids to Obama and the place he chose for political phone bank operations. Underneath, rats scurry around in a haunted tunnel system.
Yeah, even though this is almost equally disturbing. I read the article in a Swedish newspaper, and in that they sympathizes with refugees during this "chaos" over there. This is what they do, Obama and his Muslim friends are spreading propaganda terrorist attacks so they can justify the spread of Islam. How many hoaxes have we already seen that where staged?
There is this strange desire among some posters here to not be "marginalized". They think that if we don't entertain points of data that seem a bit too "far reaching" that somehow the established media will take all of this pizzagate stuff seriously. That's why if you connect some seemingly unrelated dots that the accusations of being shill may follow.
If it's any comfort, this name calling probably comes with the best intentions. But I find it strange that people think that the same media which has been covering up for pedophiles will somehow get on our side. It's laughable. The media would gladly fake a news story to discredit us, we cannot ever rely on them.
For what it's worth, I think you may very well be on to something so keep digging. I'll do what I can to help.
Can't thank you enough, FormerBaltimoreRes. Ive contributed much to Voat and always try to stay respectful. We're all here because we're alt thinkers so I just don't understand the accusations of 'shill' when I'm posting what aims to be undeniable causal connections.
If people don't like it or can't think of anything original to contribute, they can fuck off back to the Kardashians.
Edit: apologies if this sounds too ranty.
ZalesMcMuffin ago
Jim D. is a very serious researcher in the JFK community. I'm not (I've taken in a lot of interviews of many people but haven't studied source materials much myself), but I do take what he says seriously, at least where JFK is concerned. YMMV, but I don't brush off Jim D. casually.
Millennial_Falcon ago
Everything is subjective. Mods are always going to have to make judgment calls. It's a very slippery slope if we allow posts based on wild speculation. It's not suppression of speech. If substantive evidence can be found, it can be posted here.
fartyshorts ago
For those who haven't seen it, there's a great documentary called "We Need to Talk about Sandy Hook"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IxTafqejV6k
And they made a sequel called "The Life of Adam"
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N0tnYfBfzB0
gopluckyourself ago
rule 1, 2 every claim in your post must be sourced. We left it up for this long to see if anything would come of it. As it has not I will now go ahead and delete it as it really doesn't follow rule 2. Please repost to /v/pizzagatewhatever
If I were to take anything from this it would be this comment: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1523230/7409123
I think this would make for a great discussion post and might actually lead to somewhere.
Cheers Will keep this angle in the back burner of my mind.
smokemirrors ago
All good, hot stuff, and grateful you kept it going for a long while. I think most folk got the gist. Truthfully, it was starting to fill up with tiresome and tautological comments. Glad it was digested by a huge majority XX
Mtnchan ago
I've watched many of the crisis actor videos, they are very convincing, begs the question who are these actors, with what's at stake it would seem that being loyal to the cause, signing secrecy docs, that sort of thing would not be enough. Would these need to be people who are blackmailed for something, kids enslaved in some way, or their parents in trouble, or brainwashed? I don't know, just seems like you can't just audition in a normal way for this sort of thing. Do any of these people have a criminal history that would make them vulnerable? Maybe they had a kid killed by guns?
smokemirrors ago
$$$$$ mortgages, college loans paid off. Blackmail, yes. People sell their grandmotherw for a dollar. Everyone has a price. EVERYONE. Even Mother Theresa was a calculating old witch. People desperate for fame, even if that means shitty acting in a psy op. Companies that specialize in Crisis Management/Actors. No different to what you see portrayed on shows like Scandal and Ray Donovan. Respectfully, if you could just stick to finding and posting relevant links for this thread.
Mtnchan ago
Respectfully the thread will die if you don't widen the net, very little is known about how this crisis acting works, and we're not going to find legitimate connections without going down rabbit holes, hitting dead ends, and climbing back out. It's unlikely you'll be able to connect alefantis in any meaningful way without more deeply investigating who are the players in crisis acting and how it works. As citizen investigators we're limited primarily to making associations, the hard evidence is in the money trails, phone records, etc that we don't have access to. All we can realistically hope to do is put people in the same place, in association, in activity together, close enough to create widespread demand for answers. Everything we know about pizzagate to date was found in that way. The FBIanon stuff is interesting, but none of it has led to anything concrete. We don't seem to be getting any real help from feds, perhaps the opposite. The associations should be an inroad for professional investigation, but your connection, which is a very good and likely one, has a VERY important implication, if alefantis is working with white house regarding crisis acting, then the feds have good reason to cover it up, all of it, including anything else alefantis may be involved in. If he's a key player in crisis acting they can't take him down for pedophilia if they have something on each other. They can't even suicide him if he's a key person in distribution of children involved in crisis acting, actors work for him, important properties are in his name, etc... Consequently, then pizzagate needs to go away, as instead of uncovering the elites playground, it would uncover a vast conspiracy leading directly to the POTUS re Sandy Hook et al, and everywhere the crisis actors have showed up. It would explain a lot of what we've seen in how is being managed via the MSM and fake news narrative. That would make alefantis a very powerful person indeed!
Mtnchan ago
I think you've made a very key connection her smokemirrors, this connection fits better with everything we know, sort of a unified pizzagate theory, it doesn't have the flaws the others have had, the tunnels and basements, it makes the pedophilia a sidenote, not the end game.
ZalesMcMuffin ago
Yeah, the crisis actor connection -- ifffffff it's true -- would definitely put everything in a whole new light. The desperate panic chorus of "fake news!" from the Grand Wurlitzer would make even more sense than it already does.
Keep pulling on those threads, everybody. This sweater isn't going to last forever. :-)
sunajAeon ago
I can tell you right now, with what I am reading about the CIA being the beginning and the end of this sex slave network that Alephantis is at least indirectly associated with Sandy Hook-he is apparently one of the CIA managers of this at the very top-you will never understand PIZZAGATE or International pedophilia until you understand the CIA and its CENTRAL INVOLVEMENT IN THIS AFFAIR
smokemirrors ago
Great. Proof?
sunajAeon ago
All of the links are here on VOIT re CIA, its there if you do the reading, there are enough posts re: the CIA and their involvement on this board alone to get up to speed there have been ample reports that identify Alephantis (one of 50th most powerful people in DC) as a CIA handler, that being the case his proximity to the most powerful people in the world puts him at the top of this CIA program, if you study Sandy Hook esp. Fetzner this is part of same group, CIA organized crime with these False-Flag shootings
ZalesMcMuffin ago
Respectfully, I would advise not using Fetzer as a source. Read this first: https://kennedysandking.com/john-f-kennedy-articles/the-decline-and-fall-of-jim-fetzer
I don't agree with everything said in that article, but it does lay out ample basis for caution re: Fetzer, IMO.
That said, Fetzer has put out a lot of material and tons of interviews, and there is a lot of gold in them thar hills along with the less desirable stuff. Just be careful.
sunajAeon ago
Crap-what did you post:) This looks huge...
sunajAeon ago
I'll take a look at the link, he is fervently ripping Pizzagate to the airwaves so that is good, I am concerned about him working for that CRIMINAL at Veterans Today, however, otherwise he has been a solid stand-up guy, unless I see some iron proof otherwise:)
Orange_Circle ago
He doesn't seem smart enough for the CIA.
ZalesMcMuffin ago
Neither does this:
https://tomstalcup.files.wordpress.com/2011/06/twa.jpg?w=300&h=225
Mtnchan ago
CIA asset?
Orange_Circle ago
Maybe so.
smokemirrors ago
youve posted this list three times. Can you remove some. We get it. A lot of people know this info already
Mtnchan ago
Just twice, first in reply, deleted that, sorry.
smokemirrors ago
thank you!
Mtnchan ago
Watched Killswitch re SOPA and Aaron Swartz another suicided subversive. Fake News is SOPA 2.0. this seems all intertwined, crisis acting, fake news, censorship, controlling the message.
smokemirrors ago
great, but what's James Alefantis/Pizzagate's exact role. Everything you post is stuff everyone already knows. Please try to stay relevant if possible.
Mtnchan ago
Suggesting if you're looking to make connection between alefantis and crisis acting, you might find it by going back through some of the old info, his connection to film making, these properties, what are they being used for? If he is involved in the crisis acting and he has directorial experience, he may be involved in the logistics, which would have to be somewhat substantial, crisis actors would be managed in some way, as secrecy would be very important? People with certain expertise would be used? Then tapes released to news networks? Rely on compromised blackmailed persons? Just thinking through how all that would work.
Mtnchan ago
Here again, bumping this up to where it will be seen alefantis properties, what are they, why so many, just rentals?
here's the list of properties https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1485593
6513 Brawner ST Mc Lean, VA 22101
2310 California ST NW Washington, DC 20008-1637
1536 Swann ST NW Washington, DC 20009
1352 Bradley DR Harrisonburg, VA 22801
5037 Connecticut AVE NW Washington, DC 20008
PO Box 7703 Mc Lean, VA 22106-7703
Dearborn ST Mc Lean, VA 22106
148 W Wolfe ST Harrisonburg, VA 22802-3815
1404 P ST NW WASHINGTON DC Washington, DC 20005
1117 Randolph RD Mc Lean, VA 22101-2930
3334 N ST NW Washington, DC 20007-2807
455 Massachusetts AVE NW Washington, DC 20001
749 Chain Bridge RD Mc Lean, VA 22101-1813
2022 Columbia RD NW #602 Washington, DC 20009-1303
145 E 48th ST #29F New York, NY 10017-1255
ZalesMcMuffin ago
And with all those properties, he holds a GoFundMe to raise a few tens of thousands for security? Riiiiiiight...
sunajAeon ago
They were committing high crimes on these servers, which is why Clinton and MANY others were violating these laws
Mtnchan ago
I'm wondering about the properties connected to alefantis, there have been lists posted and it's long, like twentyish houses, don't think anyone's ever followed up to see what all these properties are? Does he own rentals or safe houses or house crisis actors or hold properties in his name for other people who don't want to be connected? Owning a bunch of rentals doesn't get you to the top of Washington's most powerful list. Alefantis is a director, the guy who came into comet with a gun is an actor, here anon is loosely connecting alefantis to crisis actors, those dots do connect well in theory. Just throwing this out there, what if he is THE director, running the production company, employs and houses the crises actors, etc... Maybe a little CP and snuff on the side. The party room at comet looks kinda like a screening room, blacked out, black curtains everywhere, is there a dropdown screen we missed?
smokemirrors ago
Thanks Mtnchan. Great and thought provoking comment. I had the same 'gut' ages ago, when he first gave this ad hoc interview outside of Comet: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9EyzqskdmMI Again, not based on anything other than my knowing a few director types. Alefan definitely has an air of 'command' about him, whether you like him or not. The 'fixer', the 'dealer' the 'crisis management' dude. What you are saying fits very well with what I'm hoping both myself and others may be able to definitively prove.
Mtnchan ago
Wouldn't prove anything, but would be nice to know if there was a projector in the back wall of the party room at comet and drop down screen. Would make more sense what they might use the room for after-hours, as opposed to going into the controversial basement. Then they're laughing at us bc we don't know how it works. There's also been some hints that off site kill rooms live feed for paid subscriber viewing? That would connect with what the local guy was accusing, people there after hours, paying for murders. Yet no one is directly connected to the crimes and nothing to clean up. Just brainstorming, totally speculative.
smokemirrors ago
thats a bit much. I don't think anyones being killed down there ffs. If anything a rehearsal room for these young 'actors' with fake blood and whatever.
Mtnchan ago
Perhaps, but then that leaves all the pedophile evidence just hanging as hipster doofus shit they claim it is and I don't by that. Most of the pedophile porn in the dark web, according to articles I've read, is torture related, that seems to be a preference for pedos, so it's not out of the question. It's very possible that all of the above are true, that he is CIA involved in the crisis production bc he's a compromised leveraged blackmailed asset ie they picked him up on CP years ago and made him do the crisis thing. Friend of the elites, gets them disposable play things. There's a lot here, some of it will be true some will not be true. It's likely that perversion is a part of it.
smokemirrors ago
great. Try and find proof.
Mtnchan ago
I recall thinking in the video where alefantis have the tour, he seemed really nervous when asked about the back room, and hustled through quickly. People thought there was something behind the curtains, another door into the tunnels, there are videos saying people were going in and not coming out, I think they were just going out the back door to the parking lot, probably even to smoke.
smokemirrors ago
Mods, OP here. Just really wanted to say I really appreciate you keeping this thread up, and near the top. Thanks so much. I understand it may be perceived as a grey area, but I do believe we've stumbled onto something here that is key. Thank you again.
Freemasonsrus ago
First off, the second video is flat out freaky. That's for adding that. Second, there was a commenter here yesterday who said that Newtown was a normal town, Adam Lanza was real and the shooting was exactly what it appeared. It reminded me of a friend who recently said she had really enjoyed visiting Clearwater FL. I asked her if she knew that Scientologists run that town and she said no. Upon reflection she was weirded out she didn't realize something was amiss. So I'm quite sure if you have a govt controlled small town that it "appears" normal and may even have "normal" people in the population who are completely unaware of what is actually going on.
WakingUpisHardToDo ago
Interesting that Anderson Cooper is holding up a drawing of an owl (Owl of Minerva) at the start of the video of him. I also wonder if Obama won't call Isis "Isis" because the elite are so fond of her. Just a thought.
smokemirrors ago
Owl=Bohemian Grove https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bohemian_Grove Staying relevant. Any thoughts on the Alefantis connection?
duerheltdum ago
So many layers of stupid.
smokemirrors ago
in DC? Oh yes we know....
smokemirrors ago
but all the psy ops, sorry I meant 'gun tragedies' have totally obviously fake crisis actors. There's a reason they didn't make it in Hollywood. Some links below, but would love to keep this thread relevant to Alefantis being part of the fake narrative/supplier of moving parts, if possible.
Santa Barb shooting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQEcVbixRhM Infamous Gene Rosen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=igfczc6m5M4 This dick cant even act: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VKr-av9jVx8
Whoever (take a guess on the 'who') is setting up all of these, counts on the majority of sheeple believing it. And for years, they have. Think of your own relatives and friends who think youre a loon for talking about pizzagate.
ZalesMcMuffin ago
There's also the "open complicity" angle, which most people are not even conceptually aware of yet.
Orange_Circle ago
Chris Hurst belongs in that list!
Millennial_Falcon ago
We work our asses off enforcing very four simple, important rules (1-4 are the ones most commonly broken), to keep shills from spamming this sub with useless content. This post in particular could arguably have been deleted, but instead it was flaired. You're very misguided if you think we're the enemy. I also worked my ass off creating the current summary sticky. I would have more time to work on additions to it if I wasn't having to be involved in enforcing posting rules and responding to attacks on mods.
smokemirrors ago
i cant bear to type his name :(
e-traiu ago
Relevance in question ? Why?
chickyrogue ago
ty so uch for connecting these dots..
i always knew sandy hook was false anad way manipulated.....even the fbi handbook for 2012 admits no children died violent deaths in ct in 2012.....
Phobos_Mothership ago
Who the fuck keeps upvoting this shit??
smokemirrors ago
Hi James! Clock's ticking. tick tock...
OrwellKnew ago
Wolfgang Halbig has asked under FOIA for the school records of the 26 children who went to the Super Bowl. There would need to be permissions slips signed by parents and turned into the school.
So far he has been stonewalled in his efforts to obtain these documents http://www.rense.com/general96/whochose.html
Further, Halbig maintains that these children have never been seen nor heard from again after this trip. Should be investigated for their proof-of-life and well being
SpikyAube ago
Surely this is relevant if it involves trafficked kids? They're not being used for sex or torture in this instance, but still.
OrwellKnew ago
Or are they? As Wolfgang Halbig pointed out, none of the 26 children who attended the Super Bowl have ever been seen or heard from again
Votescam ago
Certainly relevant to the pizzagate figures -- central figure -- Alefantis .... and White House visits with Obama around the time of Sandy Hook. If Tory Smith is correct here -- there may be "hi-speed trains" North/South - East/West -- Midwest -- underground. And connecting to White House -- also close to Pentagon. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KnSwOQzJuA ... Washington, DC to LA -- 30 minutes? Tory Smith begins somewhere around 6 minutes on video -- Tour of underground tunnels about 9 minutes into video.
voatcaesarpizza ago
Why would they use the White House as a meeting point? Let alone a trafficking point for hundreds of people? This is just stupid and taking away from everything else. People here are just too anxious for a new break that they'll cling to any suggestion. This is the type of behavior that gives conspiracy theories a bad rap.
sunajAeon ago
Because the WH is the hub of so much nefarious activity-Obama had Muslim prayers, groups, terrorists etc. and such going on in the WH-which is absolutely unheard of in the WH
smokemirrors ago
LOL. Lets not get started on the kind of 'activities' JFK n B Clint had going on in there too....
sunajAeon ago
I would love to hear it, but I am not aware that this kind of anti-American subversive shit was going on in the WH (though I am sure shit has always gone on...)
sunajAeon ago
This is a thread worth visiting-we know Alefantis is most probably part of organized sex traffic, if there is a connection to Pozer then that IS noteworthy, this needs following up
smokemirrors ago
please help find it?
sunajAeon ago
The person to talk to about Sandy Hook is Jim Fetzner or Dr Tracy, formerly of MemoryHoleBlog.com, which was shut down by TPTB
Votescam ago
Are you imagining that Alefantis walks into the Oval Office bringing 26 kids or so with him? No -- go to about 6 minutes on this video -- https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8KnSwOQzJuA If there's a Hi-speed RR as is being suggested -- DC to LA in 30 mins -- there would also be an underground area where children are kept awaiting next step in transportation. But, let's say Alefantis comes in to see Obama to confirm they are back -- or on their way out?
Btw, we'll soon be losing this Obama link -- unless somehow Trump is involved in this? Obama has bought a house in Tony Podesta's area so presume he intends to spend some time in DC. (Collecting money, perhaps?)
After that, be sure to watch the tour of the underground areas below DC -- which also passes close to Pentagon. That's at about 9:00 on the video.
herbsmoke ago
Groups of young boys have privately toured the whitehouse after midnight in the franklin scandal, so why not tnow with alefantis?
smokemirrors ago
YES!!
YingYangMom ago
You omitted to say that Tory Smith is a psychic. Seems to me that it's very possible that there are underground tunnels and passage ways, even possibly train tracks under the tunnels, but to take the testimony of Smith as evidence of child trafficking, sexual abuse and murder is a bit ridiculous. Not saying that he is lying, but definitely not reliable.
Votescam ago
1 -- we know that sexual abuse and torture were advocated by our CIA -- basically our government!!
2 -- the tunnels under DC exist -- did you watch the video?
3 -- The video didn't come to you with instructions that you had to believe it -- it was offered as info.
You decide what to believe or not.
As I recall, there has been confirmation about what Tory Smith is reporting from military whistleblowers. But -- again, that's up to anyone looking at the video to consider for themselves.
What we also know is that our government has been totally corrupted -- and that the rise of the right wing has brought great violence to the world everywhere.
Like any other corruption, in order to exist it has to be being protected by higher ups in government.
smokemirrors ago
Ive never heard of Tory Smith?
YingYangMom ago
Me neither. I just saw him on the YT video linked above by votescam. Mr. Smith (a psychic) talks about 'visions' of 127 children being raped and killed by government, military and agencies' officials. He also names Eric Holder, Joe Biden and B. Obama as 3 of the abusers.
Orange_Circle ago
I vote keep!
Orange_Circle ago
Makes sense to me. If you watch the Sandy Hood news broadcast replays, you'll see Omar Mateen's dad, with his big goofy smile in the background.
Then BAM! He turns up as a home-grown terrorist (actor's) father and then he shows up on stage right behind Hillary at a campaign rally.
Wouldn't be surprised if we found little Omar in some of the footage. Maybe that was him playing the Posner child that also played a dead kid in that Palestinian school shooting.
smokemirrors ago
links?
Orange_Circle ago
Google Sandy Hook DHS sign and Omar shows up in the background of the report the news guy is filing. It should be the first video that pops up using those search terms.
Google Noah Posner Palestinian.
smokemirrors ago
link?
TRUTHWARRIOR ago
Let's seriously leave sandy hoax out of this for now. Focus!
Orange_Circle ago
Those kids came from somewhere and they went somewhere after the hoax was over. Maybe one grew up to be Allison Parker, gunned down on "live" TV.
Theupsidedown ago
It's pretty obvious how this ties to the investigation.
smokemirrors ago
thank you. Wish others saw it.
smokemirrors ago
LINK or youre just trolling.
HearMommabearRoar ago
Plot twist: They find Noah being trafficked at the hands of His biological father who was supposed to have died in 9/11. Dun dun duuunnnn
Seriously though I was just thinking about this as I was digging into the sandy hook hoax.
kekistocrat ago
There's a Gene Rosen joke in there somewhere...
Orange_Circle ago
Gene Rosen, silly Gene Rosen. Until 'Alison Parker's' fake fiance 'Chris Hurst,' Rosen was the award-winner for most over acting by a crisis actor ever.
kekistocrat ago
Christine Leinonen is going for the gold with her impression of 'Gays not Guns.' Look out Allison Parker... (like some cheesy PanEm newscaster would say it)
Orange_Circle ago
She's one of the ones that really started my search into all this. She was just so totally fake.
smokemirrors ago
Gene's won best actor at the National Crisis Actor Awards for several years running now: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ESlWcKUdGj4
doubletake ago
damn right it's a plot twist. jfc!
Orange_Circle ago
They did find Noah being portrayed as a victim of a Palestinian school shooting.
Rigg5 ago
We need to prove that James has any connection to the actual actors/children without any separation. The children from Sandy Hook have been officially seen with Obama in the White House. We need to see the date those pictures were taken and maybe line them up and research?
smokemirrors ago
Im trying. Any pics on Alefuckers Facebook/Insta (Insta not so popular in 2013 where he might have been at Superbowl 2013 held in New Orleans? Or were any of these 'kids' spotted in the DC/Comet PP/rehearsal space or nearby, at any dates prior? What does Jennifer Hudson know?(She sang with them) Speaking about Jennifer Hudson, something very weird about her, too. Her mom, brother and cousin were all killed by a 'random' shooter. He claimed 'police conspiracy'....Jennifer very tight with the Obamas. Hmmm.
http://www.nydailynews.com/news/crime/man-killed-jennifer-hudson-family-set-article-1.2537206 AND https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bgQKK2aytUo
Godwillwin ago
I think everyone starts freaking out when we post things that are very hard for the general population to accept - sandy hook and 9/11 being false flags/planned by the Govt - is just too much for them to handle. So they don't want to bring those topics up here so we aren't called crazy. Reptilians is another one they don't like. Lol. I totally understand that one scaring people off. But podesta, Alefantis, and wiener all look reptilian - just sayin. But No I dont believe in aliens and I'm on the fence about sandy hook and 9/11. I'm more convinced 9/11 was planned than I am sandy hook was
smokemirrors ago
amazing how Podesta/Alefuck/Wiener all look completely mentally dearranged and slimy as hell. Podesta is just the physical embodiment of what a creepy pedo looks like. 9/11 no question. We're all on Voat/Pizzagate because we're alt thinkers. If you were middle america saying 'conspiracy theory', I get it. But Im amazed folk who chose to gather here don't see the 100% clear psy op that is Sandy Hook.
Godwillwin ago
I haven't taken the time to research sandy hook because I'm sure it's a long long long twisty rabbit hole.
But I've done my fair share of research on 9/11 and it's very clear that it was planned
smokemirrors ago
Im looking forward to the 9/11 uprising. Have you been to the 9/11 museum in New York? Take a vomit bucket with you. Don't even ask how much this scam 'non-profit' (lol) is making. This is not the thread for that conversation. https://voat.co/v/911truth
Godwillwin ago
I haven't been, but their putting a mosque in the place of the towers is quite Suspect. This globalism movement is frightening. Kerry's speech yesterday was ludicrous and all the while McCain is harping on punishing Russia?!! They are begging for wars. They're already responsible for Iraq, Syria, and Libya. They're fanning the flames in an effort to destabilize Israel and they're pushing Putin's buttons for no freaking reason. Next up they'll go poking the crazies in North Korea. How the public can't see through this or at least question it is mind boggling. Obama is kicking his globalism agenda into high gear while people are on holiday not noticing. Then when the poop hits the fan under Trump's watch, they zombies will all blame Trump because they weren't paying attention this week.
ZunarJ5 ago
Looks like somebody's getting too close to the truth for shill comfort (whoever they are).
GenericVodka13 ago
There were no child actors. >->
smokemirrors ago
More than the obvious acting here, what further shocks me is that a mom and her kid are just calmly standing outside a school where 20 kids have just been massacred instead of you know GETTING THE FUCK OUT OF THERE.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qz4t4F0q3JQ
GenericVodka13 ago
A mother stroking her child's hair? Gasp.
That video is ridiculous.
doolord ago
On a good amount of those the signals are in motion after the child said the lines. Like, the kid says a line about stomachs hurting, and then the ladies to the motions.
ZalesMcMuffin ago
I noticed the same thing. Still, the actions of the mom are a bit strange and do seem like they could be cuing. Maybe it's a bit of both: the mom gives cues when she's not sure the girl will remember, but the girl remembers most of the time just as the motions are occurring.
Total speculation, obviously. The emotional valence of the girl is the really blatant "tell" here; that kid is not acting like a normal kid who just went through a traumatic event involving multiple deaths -- at least IMO.
Rigg5 ago
Other than showing up at the White House, are there any supporting faces between both events? I'm reading a theory?
VieBleu ago
Hunches are part of investigating.
smokemirrors ago
Isn't ALL of Pizzagate a theory? Correct me if I'm wrong. Has any post thus far displayed irrefutable evidence tying Elephantwat to child abuse?
Stukov ago
I'd have to disagree, this feels more like speculation without further facts to back it up. Other pizzagate related material is support by facts, even if they are circumstantial they are abundant and overwhelming. Obviously we should consider every lead, but not ever lead will pan out as some sort of smoking gun or truth. Some rabbit holes end, some go on to other tunnels. It does not do anyone any good to find an end of a rabbit hole only to keep digging saying it has to be true.
There are some things that are connected, as is pizzagate, some things are not connected, not every ill in the world can be traced back to the origins of pizzagate, clintons, podesta, etc. Sometimes random shit happens and strange links will occur even when they are disconnected. This background noise exist in all events and people. Everyone of us here would likely have some first or secondary connection to pizzagate at some point in their lives, but it doesn't make you part of it.
What you have to do is look for the connections of circumstantial evidence that greatly outweigh that background noise. Leave no stone unturned, but bringing back every pebble of sand from the beach saying each are a smoking gun just makes every grain of sand worthless.
Honestly, I think half the stuff that has been reaching the front page of this sub is shill material there to piss in the pool and murky the waters. There isn't just CTR here, you have some intel folks here as well.
smokemirrors ago
I respectfully disagree, but welcome your thoughts, Stukov.
Rigg5 ago
Sasha Lord his event planner is connected to the Hawaii Connection, somehow. And as far as James, I think he hosts and sources kids from Podesta for the Satanic community/rituals
https://sli.mg/a/hhe7CP
NeedPolyGF ago
RELEVANCE TOTALLY OBVIOUS!
Millennial_Falcon ago
How is that?
kekistocrat ago
Your're trying to argue a point that is left open to personal interpretation. Stop micro-moderating.
Millennial_Falcon ago
I'm not discussing this in the capacity of a mod. I'm just challenging what seemed like yet another unwarranted attack on the mods, which is irresponsible and has been done by shills on here since Day 1, as part of their "deny, disrupt, discourage" strategy.
DarkMath ago
This is about PIZZAGATE. If you're trying to tie this to Sandy Hook then you're a shill. Now run along now back to CTR and tell David Brock he's got just under a month to find a new job. Muahahahahaha
postfascion ago
That word gets thrown around too much. Muahahahaha
anonymousj ago
Absolautely a shill.
smokemirrors ago
Im offended DarkMath. And you seemed like such a sweet guy. I hate that Brock fuck as much as you do!
postfascion ago
Fuck off "relevance in question".
smokemirrors ago
Sigh. The mods hate me :(
Pizzagate709 ago
If you look at my submissions, youll see that the shills directly tell the mods what to label.
LolturdFerguson ago
I think they hate everyone, so there's that. Take comfort in it. I, random stranger on the internet...do not hate you.
Millennial_Falcon ago
And you base this on.... absolutely nothing?
LolturdFerguson ago
I never affirmed my belief. It was just a thought.
Millennial_Falcon ago
That sure sounds like a belief.
LolturdFerguson ago
That wasn't sarcasm either (just for clarification).
LolturdFerguson ago
I concede to my choice of words. Sorry for the over-generalized assumption (based on experience and environment in my lifetime). I apologize profusely.
Millennial_Falcon ago
Good thing you clarified, because I sure would have read this as sarcasm. :)
LolturdFerguson ago
That's the thing about text! It's so hard to interpret someone's feelings. I tried, failed and hopefully remedied this comment =P
smokemirrors ago
No sarcasm. That actually made me feel better. Sometimes you get these convictions, and you're desperate to share, and have others see exactly what you see. Then a bunch of randos pour shit on you and its deflation. Thanks again, LoiturdFerguson.
Godwillwin ago
I've had 4 of my posts taken down over the past 2 weeks. Don't feel bad
dogwalker ago
Keep sharing smoke! The haters are here for a reason
kekistocrat ago
Seems relevant enough... It's interesting how quickly this post was labeled 'relevance in question.'
Millennial_Falcon ago
This sub is going downhill fast if you are getting that many upvotes for implying the mods are compromised because one of them flaired this for relevance. The only evidence OP offers is that Alefantis visited the white house a couple days before and after Sandy Hook. It's an extremely loose connection. Ockham's Razor would suggest it's a coincidence. I didn't flair the post, but I agree with whoever did. They exercised restraint by not just deleting it. I don't see the reasoning for connecting Sandy Hook and pizzagate. If someone has more evidence, please share it.
kekistocrat ago
You sound hurt. Can I help? 1. You infer what is not implied. A simple question is not an accusation. If voat's voting system works, what have you to worry about? 2. Sometimes leads are thin, this doesn't mean they should be negated. To say that Alefantis visited the White House two days before they served pizza at the U.S. Embassy in Turkey would be a 'loose connection.' The relevance is clear in this case. 3. The restraint was appreciated by the community. The power mods have is to be used with wisdom; which I see lacking in many respects. 4. If Sandy Hoax can be connected to Alefantis or any portion of Pizzagate, even if it were for comic value it would still be worth investigating. The reasoning is clear; to find out how far this goes and bring it down. Simple.
Millennial_Falcon ago
How so?
There was an implied accusation.
Shills have been attacking the mods on here from Day 1, part of their "disrupt, deny, discourage" strategy. There is plenty of reason to be concerned. They upvote brigade their own concern-troll posts to try to create a bandwagon effect by creating a false sense that the userbase here agrees with their attacks.
doubletake ago
yeah, but look at it from the mod's point of view. they are few, and posts are many.
if this thing escalates to Sandy Hook, and then to Crisis Actors -- when do you call halt? When do you stop saying, Oh My? If there are pictures to tie these together, especially the "before" pictures/footage -- damn. That's pretty tight. along with the donation webpages that went up immediately. IF you can tie the kids to CPP, you tie the kids to Obama and the place he chose for political phone bank operations. Underneath, rats scurry around in a haunted tunnel system.
smokemirrors ago
tying Alefartis to anywhere where theres been an obvious psy op would be good enough for me.
ALDO_NOVA ago
let's start with the Comet Shooter
smokemirrors ago
thats the one I would love to see connected. Alefantis calling up his actor buddy and was probably like, "fix this"...
http://www.imdb.com/name/nm2625901/ https://www.reddit.com/r/conspiracy/comments/5gjumy/information_on_ping_pong_gunman/
Wonder if Edgar's been part of any other psy op. Sorry, I meant 'gun tragedy.'
Johnnyfree ago
Yeah, even though this is almost equally disturbing. I read the article in a Swedish newspaper, and in that they sympathizes with refugees during this "chaos" over there. This is what they do, Obama and his Muslim friends are spreading propaganda terrorist attacks so they can justify the spread of Islam. How many hoaxes have we already seen that where staged?
DarkMath ago
smokemirrors's a shill or an idiot. I'm guessing shill but I could be wrong.
smokemirrors ago
LOL. Ive been called worse, I suppose.
FormerBaltimoreRes ago
There is this strange desire among some posters here to not be "marginalized". They think that if we don't entertain points of data that seem a bit too "far reaching" that somehow the established media will take all of this pizzagate stuff seriously. That's why if you connect some seemingly unrelated dots that the accusations of being shill may follow.
If it's any comfort, this name calling probably comes with the best intentions. But I find it strange that people think that the same media which has been covering up for pedophiles will somehow get on our side. It's laughable. The media would gladly fake a news story to discredit us, we cannot ever rely on them.
For what it's worth, I think you may very well be on to something so keep digging. I'll do what I can to help.
smokemirrors ago
Can't thank you enough, FormerBaltimoreRes. Ive contributed much to Voat and always try to stay respectful. We're all here because we're alt thinkers so I just don't understand the accusations of 'shill' when I'm posting what aims to be undeniable causal connections. If people don't like it or can't think of anything original to contribute, they can fuck off back to the Kardashians. Edit: apologies if this sounds too ranty.
dogwalker ago
I'd downvote but I don't have that privilege yet, keep up the good work smoke :)
idontlikesalmon ago
This just keeps getting weirder and weirder and I'm the one being judged as waco when I point out PG...
doubletake ago
i remember when Waco was waco. And we were right about that, too.
dogwalker ago
Don't worry, this time the genie can't be put back in the bottle. We know.
smokemirrors ago
I really hope the vloggers take up this angle.
Orange_Circle ago
Too many of us know.
doubletake ago
i hope you're right. damn genie's been able to do it so far. maybe this time he doesn't have enough fingers for the leaking dike.