PizzaGate Discord Investigation Room! Check it out, it'll be Great! [v/pizzagatewhatever alternative] (pizzagate)

submitted ago by nathanwblair

Discord is what v/pizzagatewhatever tries to be - a loose chat room forum

kinda like Slack or Skype or TeamSpeak.

Makes it a LOT easier to voice/type our thoughts without fear of spamming submissions

Join the pizzagate chat room here: (trust me, it's worth it) https://discord.gg/YcasPvA

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wecanhelp ago

@kevdude, OP and I have discussed this a little further in PMs, and I've been pointed to this comment of yours.

Before we add this channel as an official recommendation to the sidebar: I'm concerned about sending people to a closed-source, centralized service when we already have a privacy-focused Riot instance that is both open-source and decentralized. I also don't think it's a good idea to further divide the community between two chat services. I think this should be discussed before we add the link.

nathanwblair ago

all the same problems with v/pizzagatewhatever - which the discord replaces - arise with Discord (centralization etc.) also being open source doesn't help - ie. reddit - they just change the source code

@kevdude @wecanhelp on the security aspect of discord, investigators like @redberries use discord through tor browser, since discord works with full functionality in a browser

riot is great but isn't working, discord is. i can try and help with riot if you want

like i've said earlier, i've been coding a discord replacement, but that'll be up in like a fortnight, so until then...

wecanhelp ago

they just change the source code

The difference is that

  • we know when they change it;
  • we know how they change it.

discord through tor browser

I think that's the minimum for anonymity with both Discord and Riot, but given the decentralized, redundant nature of Riot (technically, Matrix), there is no single point of control or failure, meaning you have to take down the entire network of participants to take down the discussion.

riot is great but isn't working

What's wrong with it? I'm not protecting it in that aspect as I haven't used it, merely interested.

nathanwblair ago

@wecanhelp sorry how do we know when voat changes their source code? thought it was the same system as (open source) reddit, who changed theirs without us knowing

also i agree about the decentralized nature of riot making it better, and that's why i'm writing a distributed version of Discord (which i prefer) that's scheduled to have a working version in ~14 days

nathanwblair ago

@wecanhelp so the discord is temporary either way, we can move to riot if we get taken down before then, since all info is submitted to voat we won't have lost info

wecanhelp ago

Moving, in itself, comes with a tremendous transaction cost and significant dropout rates. We already have a Riot with about 300 people currently online.

nathanwblair ago

sorry? where are we moving from? the discord is to replace v/pizzagatewhatever, which itself has the exact same issues, but is already less active than the discord.

wecanhelp ago

I was responding to your mention of moving:

we can move to riot if we get taken down before then

We already have Riot to do exactly what your Discord channel is meant to do. I don't see why that isn't enough.