While Wikileads #55433 is one of the most cited of the Podesta emails (the "pizza related map" one) there is an aspect that is only rarely mentioned. If you look at the original message from the realtor Kathryn Tate it states: "I just came from checking the Field house and I have a square cloth handkerchief (white w/ black) that was left on the kitchen island. Happy to send it via the mail if you let me know where I should send it." This was sent to Susan and Herbert Sandler. Note that nothing was stated in this email about pizza or a map. Ms. Tate sees this as nothing more than someone left a handkerchief and she wants to know where to send it.
So now Susan Sandler emails John Podesta with "The realtor found a handkerchief (I think it has a map that seems pizza-related. Is it yorus (sic)? They can send it if you want. I know you’re busy, so feel free not to respond if it’s not yours or you don’t want it." So where does Ms. Sandler get the idea that this handkerchief is "pizza related" or that it has a "map" from what Ms. Tate told her? It's not to be found. So it is clear that Ms. Sandler inferred from the description that the handkerchief was potentially important. It seems that she must know something about Podesta. A literal interpretation is clearly not correct and that the words pizza and map are a cryptic reference.
Using the PIzzaGate codes this is message makes sense in that Ms. Sandler was concerned that this handkerchief might have evidence of illicit activity. Podesta's response suggests that either this is not the case here or that he just isn't worried. At any rate this construction makes this far more evidential than simply to look at it as "pizza related map" .. WTF? Rather it indicates that Ms. Sandler is familiar with Podesta's activity or at a minimum strongly suspects it. She seeks to protect him.
https://wikileaks.com/podesta-emails/emailid/55433
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tehthu ago
This is the one indisputable email in the leaks, in my opinion, for the reasons stated above and also because not a single journalist has asked John Podesta, Susan Sandler, or Kathryn Tate, what this meant. Also, Eryn Sepp was CCd on this email chain as well, giving investigators four opportunities to corroborate stories.
I've been brutal and precise about this one point on twitter lately. Want to shut people up who call you crazy for believing that there is something here? Ask them to explain what a 'pizza related handkerchief map' is, ask why John Podesta or Susan Sandler won't explain, and ask why not a single fucking "journalist" has asked any of these people that simple question. There are NO good answers.
All the tertiary evidence is circumstantial without LEO investigation and evidence chains of custody. Plus, this has been morphed into a partisan issue so people have gotten tribal about it so even less objectivity.
By my assessment, this email thread is the only objective piece of evidence us 'mere mortals' can pursue and more than half of the people who ACTUALLY read the damn thing will say "what the fuck does this mean?" and begin to walk down the rabbit hole.
This is how you get fools in checkmate on the public channels. You're not convincing the jackasses battling your logic, you're convincing anyone reading the conversation.
Beat this drum until John Podesta and Susan Sandlers ears bleed. Fuck both of them.
(I'm a little heated right now. Great work people!)
Votescam ago
This is from Rense -- PizzaGate Is A Giant Step For Investigative Journalism By Yoichi Shimatsu A Rense Exclusive 12-9-16 https://archive.is/cvJ0l#selection-175.0-194.1 Which I checked tonight because of comments below about "Shimatusu" and Arron Schwartz (who founded Riddet).
Notice that Susan Sandler is now connected to "Sandler Foundation" as daughter of Herb and Marion. Quote -- For parting shot about “fake news”, here's an email from a staffer at the **Sandler Foundation **to John Podesta, who dropped something from his back pocket: "Hi, John. The realtor found a handkerchief. I think it has a map that seems pizza-related. Is it yours? They can send it if you want. I know you’re busy so feel free not to respond if it's not yours or you don't want it.” Podesta replied: “It's mine.” Unquote
The quest for leverage also led the Sandlers to lay out big money to start the Center for American Progress (CAP), which is now the top progressive think tank in Washington, DC. The Sandlers had long been donors to liberal groups like the ACLU before they sold their business. But when they turned to philanthropy on a larger scale, they became preoccupied with the question of how conservative ideas had become so influential starting in the 1980s.
And then Herb goes on to "find" Podesta. http://www.insidephilanthropy.com/home/2015/1/27/the-sandler-way-where-big-philanthropy-meets-the-art-of-comm.html
Also note that the Rense article contains other info -- Matthew Freud is grandson of Clement Freud.
Matthew Freud, until a recent divorce, was married to** Elizabeth Murdoch, the daughter of Rupert**. Her grandmother was Jewish, and the publishing empire News Corp. and The Australian are financed by the NM Rothschild Bank. Freud is a confidant of Lord Jacob Rothschild, David Cameron, Tony Blair and Peter Mandelson. In a step toward truthfulness in advertising, Freud should rename his PR firm as “Frauds”.
**Podesta’s Girl Friday is a Rothschild watchdog **
Now get this: Matthew’s former ace at Freud Communications, Sara Latham was on the White House staff of Bill Clinton, a consultant to the Clinton Foundation and Microsoft, and she is the Chief of Staff for Podesta Associates and his liaison staffer to the Hillary for America campaign. Latham is the Rothschild watchdog over Podesta, the Clintons and the Democratic Party leadership. She is also a mentor to Chelsea Clinton.
Why then should anyone be surprised that Rothschild Bank has just set up its new U.S. headquarters in Chicago, the Podestas’ hometown now run by Mayor Rahm Emanuel? The Rothschilds are managing Bayer’s takeover of Monsanto and selling off the Green Giant division of General Mills.
AreWeSure ago
Podesta dropped something from his back pocket? Fake News! This is pure speculation.
FYI. The handkerchief code is used with strangers. It's not used in your own house. It makes no sense at all in a private setting.
party1981 ago
It would make sense as an offer for some kind of sex trafficking service, indicating what is available (white/black), and asking whether Podesta is interested. At least, that interpretation makes about 90% sense, and the literal explanation (actual handkerhief) makes virtually no sense.
AreWeSure ago
You really think that makes 90% sense? Why is a "sex trafficking service" using handkerchiefs? That is not what the handkerchief code is about.
Myself, I'm kind of partial to literal explanation.................one of the pizza places near that house uses a map in its marketing. Also, pizza maps is not an unfamiliar concept to me. You can buy a NY pizza map for $10.
Fateswebb ago
They place handkerchiefs under the victims that they are abusing and they catch all of the boood and semen upon them, they then keep the handkerchief as a keepsake, if they want. Sure they also use codes with handkerchiefs, but that doesn't appear to be the only significance of them.
AreWeSure ago
I have heard that and I don't believe a word of it. Is there any actual evidence of that from before the Podesta emails were released?
So the real estate agent found a blood and semen stained hankerchief and wanted to return it to its rightful owner?
Fateswebb ago
Well possibly, it's a theory, but I have seen this depected in their art. There is a painting of what appears to be a child being abused with what even looks to be some sort of handkerchief under the child. The picture on the right is the one I speak of. https://i.sli.mg/kHXqhi.jpg
AreWeSure ago
Yes, I have seen that image. You may know this but the image you linked are two separate images posted as one. The image on the right was never used to promote shows at Comet Ping Pong. Here's the original poster. http://www.thelajohnson.com/posters/ndkbz3ye37d4ozute87c2jn29j3kb0
I still have not seen anyone mentioned this pedophiles use handkerchiefs to save fluids theory before the Podesta emails were released. It seems like it was yoked on to pizzagate like those two separate images were combined.
Fateswebb ago
Well, certainly the deal is that the lady who does the art, noble is her name. She is claimed to have been a victim of mind control and it is said that she has multiple personalities, some of which are young children and in multiple of her art it shows this same concept. For instance here is another of her arts with it. http://vigilantcitizen.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/09/5658151686_7d4897a40a.jpg
Oh and this article is about her, and very interesting. Could she actually be a victim of the very people we're discussing?
Http://vigilantcitizen.com/vigilantreport/the-world-of-mind-control-through-the-eyes-of-an-artist-with-13-alter-personas/amp/