While Wikileads #55433 is one of the most cited of the Podesta emails (the "pizza related map" one) there is an aspect that is only rarely mentioned. If you look at the original message from the realtor Kathryn Tate it states: "I just came from checking the Field house and I have a square cloth handkerchief (white w/ black) that was left on the kitchen island. Happy to send it via the mail if you let me know where I should send it." This was sent to Susan and Herbert Sandler. Note that nothing was stated in this email about pizza or a map. Ms. Tate sees this as nothing more than someone left a handkerchief and she wants to know where to send it.
So now Susan Sandler emails John Podesta with "The realtor found a handkerchief (I think it has a map that seems pizza-related. Is it yorus (sic)? They can send it if you want. I know you’re busy, so feel free not to respond if it’s not yours or you don’t want it." So where does Ms. Sandler get the idea that this handkerchief is "pizza related" or that it has a "map" from what Ms. Tate told her? It's not to be found. So it is clear that Ms. Sandler inferred from the description that the handkerchief was potentially important. It seems that she must know something about Podesta. A literal interpretation is clearly not correct and that the words pizza and map are a cryptic reference.
Using the PIzzaGate codes this is message makes sense in that Ms. Sandler was concerned that this handkerchief might have evidence of illicit activity. Podesta's response suggests that either this is not the case here or that he just isn't worried. At any rate this construction makes this far more evidential than simply to look at it as "pizza related map" .. WTF? Rather it indicates that Ms. Sandler is familiar with Podesta's activity or at a minimum strongly suspects it. She seeks to protect him.
https://wikileaks.com/podesta-emails/emailid/55433
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tehthu ago
This is the one indisputable email in the leaks, in my opinion, for the reasons stated above and also because not a single journalist has asked John Podesta, Susan Sandler, or Kathryn Tate, what this meant. Also, Eryn Sepp was CCd on this email chain as well, giving investigators four opportunities to corroborate stories.
I've been brutal and precise about this one point on twitter lately. Want to shut people up who call you crazy for believing that there is something here? Ask them to explain what a 'pizza related handkerchief map' is, ask why John Podesta or Susan Sandler won't explain, and ask why not a single fucking "journalist" has asked any of these people that simple question. There are NO good answers.
All the tertiary evidence is circumstantial without LEO investigation and evidence chains of custody. Plus, this has been morphed into a partisan issue so people have gotten tribal about it so even less objectivity.
By my assessment, this email thread is the only objective piece of evidence us 'mere mortals' can pursue and more than half of the people who ACTUALLY read the damn thing will say "what the fuck does this mean?" and begin to walk down the rabbit hole.
This is how you get fools in checkmate on the public channels. You're not convincing the jackasses battling your logic, you're convincing anyone reading the conversation.
Beat this drum until John Podesta and Susan Sandlers ears bleed. Fuck both of them.
(I'm a little heated right now. Great work people!)
Votescam ago
This is from Rense -- PizzaGate Is A Giant Step For Investigative Journalism By Yoichi Shimatsu A Rense Exclusive 12-9-16 https://archive.is/cvJ0l#selection-175.0-194.1 Which I checked tonight because of comments below about "Shimatusu" and Arron Schwartz (who founded Riddet).
Notice that Susan Sandler is now connected to "Sandler Foundation" as daughter of Herb and Marion. Quote -- For parting shot about “fake news”, here's an email from a staffer at the **Sandler Foundation **to John Podesta, who dropped something from his back pocket: "Hi, John. The realtor found a handkerchief. I think it has a map that seems pizza-related. Is it yours? They can send it if you want. I know you’re busy so feel free not to respond if it's not yours or you don't want it.” Podesta replied: “It's mine.” Unquote
The quest for leverage also led the Sandlers to lay out big money to start the Center for American Progress (CAP), which is now the top progressive think tank in Washington, DC. The Sandlers had long been donors to liberal groups like the ACLU before they sold their business. But when they turned to philanthropy on a larger scale, they became preoccupied with the question of how conservative ideas had become so influential starting in the 1980s.
And then Herb goes on to "find" Podesta. http://www.insidephilanthropy.com/home/2015/1/27/the-sandler-way-where-big-philanthropy-meets-the-art-of-comm.html
Also note that the Rense article contains other info -- Matthew Freud is grandson of Clement Freud.
Matthew Freud, until a recent divorce, was married to** Elizabeth Murdoch, the daughter of Rupert**. Her grandmother was Jewish, and the publishing empire News Corp. and The Australian are financed by the NM Rothschild Bank. Freud is a confidant of Lord Jacob Rothschild, David Cameron, Tony Blair and Peter Mandelson. In a step toward truthfulness in advertising, Freud should rename his PR firm as “Frauds”.
**Podesta’s Girl Friday is a Rothschild watchdog **
Now get this: Matthew’s former ace at Freud Communications, Sara Latham was on the White House staff of Bill Clinton, a consultant to the Clinton Foundation and Microsoft, and she is the Chief of Staff for Podesta Associates and his liaison staffer to the Hillary for America campaign. Latham is the Rothschild watchdog over Podesta, the Clintons and the Democratic Party leadership. She is also a mentor to Chelsea Clinton.
Why then should anyone be surprised that Rothschild Bank has just set up its new U.S. headquarters in Chicago, the Podestas’ hometown now run by Mayor Rahm Emanuel? The Rothschilds are managing Bayer’s takeover of Monsanto and selling off the Green Giant division of General Mills.
AreWeSure ago
Podesta dropped something from his back pocket? Fake News! This is pure speculation.
FYI. The handkerchief code is used with strangers. It's not used in your own house. It makes no sense at all in a private setting.
party1981 ago
It would make sense as an offer for some kind of sex trafficking service, indicating what is available (white/black), and asking whether Podesta is interested. At least, that interpretation makes about 90% sense, and the literal explanation (actual handkerhief) makes virtually no sense.
AreWeSure ago
You really think that makes 90% sense? Why is a "sex trafficking service" using handkerchiefs? That is not what the handkerchief code is about.
Myself, I'm kind of partial to literal explanation.................one of the pizza places near that house uses a map in its marketing. Also, pizza maps is not an unfamiliar concept to me. You can buy a NY pizza map for $10.
party1981 ago
I mean this 100% sincerely: the literal explanation makes 1% sense, and the sex explanation makes 90% sense.
First, everyone - not just me - thinks that this email is weird and involves code language.
Step 2: there is literally a document on Wikipedia called "The Handkerchief Code" and it has been published there for almost a decade.
That should be enough, on the surface, to discount the innocent/literal interpretation.
But then, the discussion of the handkerchief references colors - black and white. And the Handkerchief is a COLOR code.
And then, add in every other piece of data from Comet Ping Pong and pizzagate, and ask yourself whether this email was really innocent.
In my view, with about 80% odds, the email means something like "hey, I have a child available for you, it is a virgin [white] and available for domination [black]. Are you interested?"
I could be wrong about that. But I am highly confident that the email refers to sex trafficking code, and not a literal pizza-related map, whatever the fuck that would mean.
Honestly, people wake up from your just world delusions where the world is fair and evil doesn't exist. This code talk is real, and it indicates a level of evil that is difficult to comprehend.
AreWeSure ago
Yes. they think it's code language, because they already think of Podesta as some devil-worshipping monster and were already pouring over his emails with the intent of finding something damaging they could use against a hated political opponent. When they couldn't find that, they kept digging.. It's called motivated reasoning and not giving someone the benefit of the doubt. You can't paint someone as a nasty SOB if you violate the rational Principle of Charity and decide that ordinary words they used have sinister meanings. The starting point of this investigation was not rational, hey this must be code. The starting point was PODESTA IS A MONSTER.
See the Spirit Cooking nonsense which preceeded pizzagate. The guy WORSHIPS SATAN! Surely, he doesn't simply make pizza and pasta and play dominoes, does he?
They thought it odd, he talks about food all the time. They ignored the fact the guy is gourmet cook. They don't know that Salsi di Noci is a tradition pasta topping from the region of Italy where the Podestas come from. So therefore this monster must be speaking about something else when he talks about Pasta with Walnut Sauce. A code so absolutely top secret that John Podesta's recipe is on the web.
Yes, I know there's a Handkerchief code. It's basically for when you are among strangers like if you were trying to pick someone up in a gay bar, It's not used with people you know because there is no need for it. And there is no handkerchief code for I like children. NONE OF THE COLORS apply to that.
You don't understand what a literal pizza map would mean? The NYC Pizza map is available for $10.
Also you think the realtor is also part of a sex trafficking ring?
party1981 ago
Pizza map makes sense. Pizza handkerchief makes zero sense.
I know you're experiencing massive cognitive dissonance over the level of evil this reveals. That's ok. We all did. The truth will probably come out in 2017, and we'll see who is right.
AreWeSure ago
Zero cognitive dissonance over here.
So pizza map, OK. But not a map on a handkerchief? Because maps on handkerchiefs exist.
Even if pizza handkerchief make zero sense to you. That's not evidence at all. It's a fallacy called arguing from incredulity, it doesn't mean you can then ease your confusion by going to most damning interpretation.
party1981 ago
You say zero cognitive dissonance, and yet you are willfully distorting the evidence.
You say "pizza map" then you say "handkerchief' then you say "pizza handkerchief." But the Podesta doesn't say "pizza map" or "pizza handerchief." In every case, you're intentionally dropping off one of the modifiers, even though every modifier makes the statement more absurd and unlikely, when taken literally.
The Podesta emails say a (1) handkerchief, (2) black/white, that has a (3) map that seems (4) pizza-related. The fact that generic handkerchiefs can have generic maps on them is irrelevant, if you're just going to ignore the preexisting Wikipedia sex code, the colors black/white, and the term pizza.
If you're going to consider the email honestly and fairly, you have to consider all of the words that don't make sense together. All four of them. Not just two. Finding a hanky with a map of Berlin doesn't cut it.
Then you have to factor in the AVALANCHE of other evidence we have, including all of the Instagram pictures of people sexualizing pizza, giving pizza blow jobs, etc. Then you have to factor in that (A) the handkerchief code is a preexisting sex code and (B) pizza is also a preexising sex code.
I know you think that I'm guilty of the fallacy of argument from incredulity. But - that goes both ways. I could say the same thing about your credulity.
Honestly, I think you're suffering from the just world fallacy.
Child trafficking isn't hard to believe. It happens everywhere, all the time. The hard part to believe is that the Clinton Foundation private army somehow triggered the earthquake in Haiti. That's the level of belief/disbelief we are at on pizzagate. We got over the hanky sex code a long time ago. Catch up.
AreWeSure ago
You say you have an avalanche. I see a house of cards. And I arrive at that judgement honestly. We have an honest disagreement.
So the Clinton Foundation caused the earthquake? What were we saying about credulity?
party1981 ago
The peaceful nuclear explosion theory is George Webb's - a very highly respected researcher around here. I don't necessarily agree with it or disagree with it. The problem with the theory is that it's ridiculous on its face. The nice thing about the theory is that it explains why Bill and Hillary made documented, substantial moves toward Haiti in the weeks before the earthquake.
To even entertain the nuclear theory, you would have to think that the Clinton Foundation, and associated government entities, are essentially filled with psychopaths. They call it the pathocracy. I'm getting the sense that you're not there yet, and that's ok.
Notice, however, that you have not explains what a black and white pizza-related handkerchief is. Nor have you shown me an example of one.
Do you feel the gears turning in your brain, trying to explain what the phrase actually means? That's cognitive dissonance.
It will get worse before it gets better. Most/all of the emails will probably come out in 2017, one way or another.