While I'm grateful for you for putting so much effort in this, and I certainly thank you for that, I think it's unfortunate and dangerous that you dedicated 6 pages (almost 10% of the entire book) to a Katy Perry video that isn't and cannot be confirmed to have anything to do with this. It's incredibly easy to discredit the entire investigation just based on this, and I think it would be in our best interest for you to remove that part entirely. Even as someone who doesn't doubt Pizzagate is real, I feel that the speculations around that music video are farfetched, and a good example of confirmation bias.
I think you are exaggerating - the ENTIRE investigation is not discredited because of pizzagate images being embedded in pop culture. However, I do agree that it could just be mentioned without as much space devoted to it, and other more relevant art put in. There is plenty of that to fill up five pages.
I'm not exaggerrating at all. If I'm new to all this, and my first encounter with the topic is through this book, then I might assume, based on the highly speculative nature of the entire closing section that is being presented as fact, that the whole topic has also been researched with the same amount of critical thinking, and as a result dismiss the entire idea altogether. That is exactly how deliberate disinformation works. Even if everything about the Katy Perry speculations is true (which I doubt), we have no way to tell, based on the information that is currently available to us.
well we both agree that one or two photos as a pop culture mention that newbies might recognize would be fine, but the other 5 pages could be devoted to more relevant art, yes? So I hope OP sees our lingering discussion and makes the relevant updates.
One or two photos with an accompanying phrasing that doesn't imply we know this for a fact but rather is humble enough to say maybe should be fine. But I personally think that no mention of anything this speculative would do the least damage.
what is weird about it to me is that it was out months before pizzagate hit - a good argument it has no connection or relevanct. But then the conspiracy minded would ask, "OR does it?..." lol
I thought what made it relevant to child sex rings were the pizza and ping pong scenes and messages. What else in the video connects it to child sex rings? Without pizzagate there is no connection, unless I must have missed it.
Pizzagate has discovered those symbols and double meanings, but they've been around for years, and some probably decades. Pizzagate is here to collect and organize everything relevant on the subject, but relevant things have, by definition, been around longer than the investigation itself. That's all I'm saying.
Ok, just wondered if I missed something in the video as it is hard for me to watch/listen to such drivel - there is a lot of ice cream/candy stuff in it
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wecanhelp ago
While I'm grateful for you for putting so much effort in this, and I certainly thank you for that, I think it's unfortunate and dangerous that you dedicated 6 pages (almost 10% of the entire book) to a Katy Perry video that isn't and cannot be confirmed to have anything to do with this. It's incredibly easy to discredit the entire investigation just based on this, and I think it would be in our best interest for you to remove that part entirely. Even as someone who doesn't doubt Pizzagate is real, I feel that the speculations around that music video are farfetched, and a good example of confirmation bias.
VieBleu ago
I think you are exaggerating - the ENTIRE investigation is not discredited because of pizzagate images being embedded in pop culture. However, I do agree that it could just be mentioned without as much space devoted to it, and other more relevant art put in. There is plenty of that to fill up five pages.
wecanhelp ago
I'm not exaggerrating at all. If I'm new to all this, and my first encounter with the topic is through this book, then I might assume, based on the highly speculative nature of the entire closing section that is being presented as fact, that the whole topic has also been researched with the same amount of critical thinking, and as a result dismiss the entire idea altogether. That is exactly how deliberate disinformation works. Even if everything about the Katy Perry speculations is true (which I doubt), we have no way to tell, based on the information that is currently available to us.
VieBleu ago
"the entire investigation" - bit over the top
wecanhelp ago
The entire investigation, in the mind of the newcomer who sees us lack the critical thinking skills required for such investigation.
VieBleu ago
well we both agree that one or two photos as a pop culture mention that newbies might recognize would be fine, but the other 5 pages could be devoted to more relevant art, yes? So I hope OP sees our lingering discussion and makes the relevant updates.
wecanhelp ago
One or two photos with an accompanying phrasing that doesn't imply we know this for a fact but rather is humble enough to say maybe should be fine. But I personally think that no mention of anything this speculative would do the least damage.
VieBleu ago
what is weird about it to me is that it was out months before pizzagate hit - a good argument it has no connection or relevanct. But then the conspiracy minded would ask, "OR does it?..." lol
wecanhelp ago
That in itself wouldn't make it irrelevant. Child sex rings themselves "were out" months and years before Pizzagate hit, y'know.
VieBleu ago
I thought what made it relevant to child sex rings were the pizza and ping pong scenes and messages. What else in the video connects it to child sex rings? Without pizzagate there is no connection, unless I must have missed it.
wecanhelp ago
Pizzagate has discovered those symbols and double meanings, but they've been around for years, and some probably decades. Pizzagate is here to collect and organize everything relevant on the subject, but relevant things have, by definition, been around longer than the investigation itself. That's all I'm saying.
VieBleu ago
Ok, just wondered if I missed something in the video as it is hard for me to watch/listen to such drivel - there is a lot of ice cream/candy stuff in it