While I'm grateful for you for putting so much effort in this, and I certainly thank you for that, I think it's unfortunate and dangerous that you dedicated 6 pages (almost 10% of the entire book) to a Katy Perry video that isn't and cannot be confirmed to have anything to do with this. It's incredibly easy to discredit the entire investigation just based on this, and I think it would be in our best interest for you to remove that part entirely. Even as someone who doesn't doubt Pizzagate is real, I feel that the speculations around that music video are farfetched, and a good example of confirmation bias.
where has this been debunked? I have seen great analysis done that both the serial killer pose and the statue refer to Crowleyism and known poses of severe distress in hysteria and under torture.
If you are interested, I'll look for the info on how it is actually also related to images from Crowlism and his "magick" system and has an esoteric meaning - yes the backward arch I'm talking about. So with that, it is not debunked but quite the opposite, being related to pizzagate because of both torture and black magic ritual practices.
Perhaps debunked is the wrong word. I meant only that people should stick to hard facts instead of speculative, assumption based, extrapolation. Their is no direct link from the statue to Jeffrey Dahmer even though it appears quite similar. The occult meaning of the fish and the number 14 is probably a better example of something that will turn newcomers off instead of opening their eyes. As interesting as the occult symbolism can be I think a more productive ebook would restrict its focus on the verifiable facts of shell companies and child trafficking, instead of imposing the author's assumptions about intention and motives.
I see where you are coming from, it is probably valid for some newcomers. However I differ in opinion.
First words are important in a word based forum and DEBUNKED is an especialy potent word, so I would say don't use it for this argument, the connection of the arched back art to pizzagate, torture, ritual murder and the celebratin of it is definitely not debunked.
Further, I think that for a portion and I would say a large portion of newcomers, the occult angle interest is very strong and they will keep reading. People are interested in the occult and this is borne out by all the popular culture that deals with it. I certainly found it chilling to look at the occult sacrifice type art and pictures and see the connections between the artists, Alefantis who calls himself an artist and "loves" the DC art scene, and some of their themes of Satanism, Thelema and other black magic worship which manifests in part as the abuse of human young, blood sacrifice, the moment of the kill and a whole lot of other terrible stuff. There are all angles to pizzagate, people can like or not like aspects but it all meshes together at some point and people have to stop looking away. There is actually a direct link between that pose and snuff rituals, black magic or not, so the discussion is relevant and should be included. There was also a lot of art in the same collectino with kids being tied up to tile walls which look a lot like the tiles in the old transit tunnels underground. Regardless, this freaky art collection of a major Democratic operator itself needs a lot of light shed on it. I don't think a single piece of his collection is dissassociated from the themes of pizzagate.
That's an excellent point. I think the disturbing art is definitely an important piece of evidence, and the occult connection is undeniable. The only reason I suggested playing it down is because the criminality can sometimes take a backseat to the sheer shock of the heinousness off the acts these sick people are committing. In order to bring them to justice I think focusing on incriminating evidence over interesting evidence will keep the investigation focused and energized. We will have decades to analyze the more interesting aspects of what is occurring behind closed doors but in this moment the investigation should be targeted directly at stopping it from continuing. There is no doubt that the occult, nightmare inducing aspects of this network are interesting I just don't think they are the best way to spend our time.
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wecanhelp ago
While I'm grateful for you for putting so much effort in this, and I certainly thank you for that, I think it's unfortunate and dangerous that you dedicated 6 pages (almost 10% of the entire book) to a Katy Perry video that isn't and cannot be confirmed to have anything to do with this. It's incredibly easy to discredit the entire investigation just based on this, and I think it would be in our best interest for you to remove that part entirely. Even as someone who doesn't doubt Pizzagate is real, I feel that the speculations around that music video are farfetched, and a good example of confirmation bias.
GenghisSean ago
I agree. The bit about the golden headless sculpture has been debunked as referencing that serial killer even though it is still disturbing.
VieBleu ago
where has this been debunked? I have seen great analysis done that both the serial killer pose and the statue refer to Crowleyism and known poses of severe distress in hysteria and under torture.
I would like to see your link to the debunking.
GenghisSean ago
I found it. It's still fucked up, but apparently it's a rendition of someone writhing violently in a psychotic fit. sauce
VieBleu ago
If you are interested, I'll look for the info on how it is actually also related to images from Crowlism and his "magick" system and has an esoteric meaning - yes the backward arch I'm talking about. So with that, it is not debunked but quite the opposite, being related to pizzagate because of both torture and black magic ritual practices.
GenghisSean ago
Perhaps debunked is the wrong word. I meant only that people should stick to hard facts instead of speculative, assumption based, extrapolation. Their is no direct link from the statue to Jeffrey Dahmer even though it appears quite similar. The occult meaning of the fish and the number 14 is probably a better example of something that will turn newcomers off instead of opening their eyes. As interesting as the occult symbolism can be I think a more productive ebook would restrict its focus on the verifiable facts of shell companies and child trafficking, instead of imposing the author's assumptions about intention and motives.
VieBleu ago
I see where you are coming from, it is probably valid for some newcomers. However I differ in opinion.
First words are important in a word based forum and DEBUNKED is an especialy potent word, so I would say don't use it for this argument, the connection of the arched back art to pizzagate, torture, ritual murder and the celebratin of it is definitely not debunked. Further, I think that for a portion and I would say a large portion of newcomers, the occult angle interest is very strong and they will keep reading. People are interested in the occult and this is borne out by all the popular culture that deals with it. I certainly found it chilling to look at the occult sacrifice type art and pictures and see the connections between the artists, Alefantis who calls himself an artist and "loves" the DC art scene, and some of their themes of Satanism, Thelema and other black magic worship which manifests in part as the abuse of human young, blood sacrifice, the moment of the kill and a whole lot of other terrible stuff. There are all angles to pizzagate, people can like or not like aspects but it all meshes together at some point and people have to stop looking away. There is actually a direct link between that pose and snuff rituals, black magic or not, so the discussion is relevant and should be included. There was also a lot of art in the same collectino with kids being tied up to tile walls which look a lot like the tiles in the old transit tunnels underground. Regardless, this freaky art collection of a major Democratic operator itself needs a lot of light shed on it. I don't think a single piece of his collection is dissassociated from the themes of pizzagate.
GenghisSean ago
That's an excellent point. I think the disturbing art is definitely an important piece of evidence, and the occult connection is undeniable. The only reason I suggested playing it down is because the criminality can sometimes take a backseat to the sheer shock of the heinousness off the acts these sick people are committing. In order to bring them to justice I think focusing on incriminating evidence over interesting evidence will keep the investigation focused and energized. We will have decades to analyze the more interesting aspects of what is occurring behind closed doors but in this moment the investigation should be targeted directly at stopping it from continuing. There is no doubt that the occult, nightmare inducing aspects of this network are interesting I just don't think they are the best way to spend our time.