Any investigation into these high level sexual crimes against children would almost certainly turn up nothing, and all knowledgeable POs know it. In fact, the perpetrators, enablers, glorifiers etc know it too, with a high degree of certainty. That's why they can be so sardonically blatant.
The powers behind this systematic abuse have ages of experience, much of it infra-generational, handling evidence, covering up crimes, manipulating LE and judiciary, and even, when all else fails, 'disappearing' people who get too close.
Yes, there have been windows - like in the late 80s, and maybe even now - when they made mistakes in their 'programming', and some victims came out. But it has always, without exception, been lone guys or low level networks taking the fall. They have likely learned, and moved far beyond the primitive science of MKUltra and even Monarch. Remember they have unlimited resources.
So, yes, an investigation would probably find underground spaces, tunnels, hallways etc. beneath Buck's and many other places in the area. But much of that underground infrastructure is highly classified. And again, PDs know it.
I am as close to certain as possible that 'white hat', high level law enforcement is aware of the situation, and has been for many years. There's just not much they can do about it. Any perceptive police officer knows that justice is not their business. Order is. And this injustice, if exposed, would threaten the very order they are sworn to protect.
Also, here you claim the psychos have gone "way beyond" MKULTRA; yet without any evidence of that. It's just your surmise.
I dispute that. To me, to push that is fear porn.
The techniques of torture are apparently ancient - if you look at woodcuts and torture machines of the past. Once you cut something up and kill it, how much more can you do?
They claimed their AI would pass the Turing Test by 2001; still has not done it. Year after year after year. All they have is "false - hope" dramatizations on the big screen. Fantasy., Fantasy of omnipotence - which they have not achieved.
That's why they like to torture children. It's a fantasy of omnipotence which will never be fulfilled, no matter how many people they kill. They are losers. That is why they have to hide.
Their AI is a dud.. And so much of what they do turns to shit. This is a much larger subject , but just for now note "Oh they have much worse torture than they ever did" or "ULTRA MKULTRA" "they must have by now"
I dispute..
I don't think they can send words into your head either. Nor can they attain immortality by up-loading their brain. Why are they such extreme Fails? Because their assumptions are wrong.
I actually agree about the Turing Test, hard AI and even more moderate versions, since I consider AI a contradiction in terms. However, where there *have *been impressive advances is in neurosciences and genetics - both fields closely related to the (stated, and some alleged) goals of MKUltra, its (mostly Nazi) predecessors and presumably its (supposed) successors.
I also agree I speculated there, or rather deduced. Because if one believes as I do that the wave of SRA reports in the late 80s and early 90s wasn't a satanic panic or a consequence of outdated/suggestive interrogation methods, then one has to suppose that the people and cults performing these rituals have been doing so ever since.
Yet there hasn't been a similar surge in reports, or even a continuation of reports from psychiatrists of psychotherapists. To me this means they have either stopped performing these rituals/experiments/treatments, or they have tuned them so as not to ever make a survivor *credibly *talk about it ever again.
Again, I do not believe they have perfected mind control or even that such a thing is possible. All I'm saying is that they have many years of experience, in some instances spanning many generations, hiding, covering up, suppressing etc. any and all evidence of their crimes, making ample use of experience and expertise among LE and judiciary within their ranks.
What is ironic and interesting is that a non-initiate, even a scientist or psychologist, would find it very hard to even detect such advanced DID, precisely because it is impossible to distinguish between an integrated personality and a compartmentalized one, since the latter will likely believe herself to be the former, and we have no plausible test to decide such a question, much like Searle's Chinese Room.
Well, I digress, as you did ;). But I posted this before, and it seems relevant in this context. This is from a police investigator into the case of Paul Ingram, who was accused of, and confessed to, SRA back in the early 90s.
Thurston county undersheriff Neil McClanahan, mustached and trim, is the intense young man who headed up the investigation. He has thirty-two three-inch binders, which are filled with testimony, transcripts from interrogations, police reports, and other documentation on the Ingram case.
Asked about satanic crime, he rolls out a chart he has made that covers a good part of his office wall. The chart has hundreds of bubbles with interconnecting lines. Each of the bubbles contains a word or phrase that describes the activities of various satanic cults. They are words like "murder," "threats," "defecation on victims," "child pornography," and "ritual sacrifice."
"This is link analysis," McClanahan says of the chart. "If, for the last 150 years, law enforcement has been playing baseball, this stuff is tri-level chess. And a baseball and a catcher's mitt don't work when you're playing tri-level chess."
McClanahan believes satanic criminals are so sinister and clever that the normal legal procedures and safeguards do not apply. Scientific police work does not apply because the criminals never leave evidence. The normal measures of witness credibility must be abandoned, because most of the victims as well as the criminals have been brainwashed and programmed with misinformation.
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anolegion ago
Any investigation into these high level sexual crimes against children would almost certainly turn up nothing, and all knowledgeable POs know it. In fact, the perpetrators, enablers, glorifiers etc know it too, with a high degree of certainty. That's why they can be so sardonically blatant.
The powers behind this systematic abuse have ages of experience, much of it infra-generational, handling evidence, covering up crimes, manipulating LE and judiciary, and even, when all else fails, 'disappearing' people who get too close.
Yes, there have been windows - like in the late 80s, and maybe even now - when they made mistakes in their 'programming', and some victims came out. But it has always, without exception, been lone guys or low level networks taking the fall. They have likely learned, and moved far beyond the primitive science of MKUltra and even Monarch. Remember they have unlimited resources.
So, yes, an investigation would probably find underground spaces, tunnels, hallways etc. beneath Buck's and many other places in the area. But much of that underground infrastructure is highly classified. And again, PDs know it.
I am as close to certain as possible that 'white hat', high level law enforcement is aware of the situation, and has been for many years. There's just not much they can do about it. Any perceptive police officer knows that justice is not their business. Order is. And this injustice, if exposed, would threaten the very order they are sworn to protect.
samhara ago
Also, here you claim the psychos have gone "way beyond" MKULTRA; yet without any evidence of that. It's just your surmise.
I dispute that. To me, to push that is fear porn.
The techniques of torture are apparently ancient - if you look at woodcuts and torture machines of the past. Once you cut something up and kill it, how much more can you do?
They claimed their AI would pass the Turing Test by 2001; still has not done it. Year after year after year. All they have is "false - hope" dramatizations on the big screen. Fantasy., Fantasy of omnipotence - which they have not achieved.
That's why they like to torture children. It's a fantasy of omnipotence which will never be fulfilled, no matter how many people they kill. They are losers. That is why they have to hide.
Their AI is a dud.. And so much of what they do turns to shit. This is a much larger subject , but just for now note "Oh they have much worse torture than they ever did" or "ULTRA MKULTRA" "they must have by now"
I dispute..
I don't think they can send words into your head either. Nor can they attain immortality by up-loading their brain. Why are they such extreme Fails? Because their assumptions are wrong.
anolegion ago
I actually agree about the Turing Test, hard AI and even more moderate versions, since I consider AI a contradiction in terms. However, where there *have *been impressive advances is in neurosciences and genetics - both fields closely related to the (stated, and some alleged) goals of MKUltra, its (mostly Nazi) predecessors and presumably its (supposed) successors.
I also agree I speculated there, or rather deduced. Because if one believes as I do that the wave of SRA reports in the late 80s and early 90s wasn't a satanic panic or a consequence of outdated/suggestive interrogation methods, then one has to suppose that the people and cults performing these rituals have been doing so ever since.
Yet there hasn't been a similar surge in reports, or even a continuation of reports from psychiatrists of psychotherapists. To me this means they have either stopped performing these rituals/experiments/treatments, or they have tuned them so as not to ever make a survivor *credibly *talk about it ever again.
Again, I do not believe they have perfected mind control or even that such a thing is possible. All I'm saying is that they have many years of experience, in some instances spanning many generations, hiding, covering up, suppressing etc. any and all evidence of their crimes, making ample use of experience and expertise among LE and judiciary within their ranks.
What is ironic and interesting is that a non-initiate, even a scientist or psychologist, would find it very hard to even detect such advanced DID, precisely because it is impossible to distinguish between an integrated personality and a compartmentalized one, since the latter will likely believe herself to be the former, and we have no plausible test to decide such a question, much like Searle's Chinese Room.
Well, I digress, as you did ;). But I posted this before, and it seems relevant in this context. This is from a police investigator into the case of Paul Ingram, who was accused of, and confessed to, SRA back in the early 90s.
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cosmicmind ago
I replied to your comment, but am on my phone and can't find it.... it may be on a detached reply. Oops.