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golly ago

You'd need a dedicated sub to do pizza gate propaganda to counter theirs, but doing such a thing in public is stupid.

Millennial_Falcon ago

doing such a thing in public is stupid.

No, it isn't, because our aim is not to deceive. Our aim is to counter the deception of the media.

golly ago

So you'll announce in public what you're doing, not how you're doing it, or when you're doing it. They can read our plans here, can we read their plans? I opt-out for an unlevelled playing field. If they use bots on Twitter to steer opinion, we can do the same. I understand this is not transparent, or fair or whatever, but it is not illegal. If it was illegal CTR/MMfA would be illegal too. We can use exactly the same methods as they do.

Millennial_Falcon ago

So you'll announce in public what you're doing, not how you're doing it, or when you're doing it.

Public vs. private is a bit of a false dichotomy. Even secure chat connections can be vulnerable to infiltration by moles. I don't think we need to worry much about the enemy discovering our planning (worrying too much about that prevents us from doing much planning or organizing). Secrecy is useful to us to an extent, but it's mostly the weapon of deceivers. Our main weapons are truth and transparency.

golly ago

We have to agree to disagree on that. Being transparent in everything "we" do is not always the best way. You can sometimes better wait before you show it all. I had to smile at the last sentence though, thanks for that!

Our three weapons are truth and transparency...and an almost fanatical devotion to Pizzagate... Our four...no... Amongst our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as truth...

Millennial_Falcon ago

I had to smile at the last sentence though, thanks for that! Our three weapons are truth and transparency...and an almost fanatical devotion to Pizzagate... Our four...no... Amongst our weapons.... Amongst our weaponry...are such elements as truth...

My point is that we are on the side of truth and light, so secrecy is not as important to us as it is to the enemy.

golly ago

I forgot you spoke for all of us.

Millennial_Falcon ago

Since when is speaking my point of view "speaking for all of us"?

golly ago

so secrecy is not as important to us as it is to the enemy

Us. Who did you mean by us? And who is to decide whats the best course of action? I am just stating my views too.

Millennial_Falcon ago

Us. Who did you mean by us?

I think that's self-evident. People researching and spreading the word about Pizzagate.

golly ago

So you did speak for all of us.

Millennial_Falcon ago

So you don't consider yourself to be on the side of good?

golly ago

It's not about that. It's about you saying everything should be transparent for the world to see and me not agreeing with that point of view. You don't respond to my arguments, such as being transparent on what we do just not on how we do it. It is useless to have any form of discussion if you're only in one to be right.

Millennial_Falcon ago

It's about you saying everything should be transparent for the world to see

First, that's an exaggeration of what I said. Second, me saying what I feel we should do is not "speaking for all of us." You are using an ad-hominem, not refuting my actual point.

You don't respond to my arguments, such as being transparent on what we do just not on how we do it.

That's not an argument. I can't even tell what your point is.

golly ago

I suggest you re-read what I wrote. Also look up what ad hominem actually means. I didn't attack you, I called you out for not responding to (any of) the points I made and you seem to go for the "I am right and you're wrong" angle instead of addressing my arguments.

What a waste of time. Lucky for you I'm leaving this place, as many others are also doing. Thanks to bad moderating this place has become a mess. And thanks to bad code, bots are here all day up voting idiotic topics. See: https://voat.co/v/pizzagate/1511016

Good luck fixing this.

Millennial_Falcon ago

I suggest you re-read what I wrote. Also look up what ad hominem actually means. I didn't attack you, I called you out for not responding to (any of) the points I made and you seem to go for the "I am right and you're wrong" angle instead of addressing my arguments.

What a bunch of projection.

golly ago

Again you don't respond to anything I said and make some psychobabble claim. If anyone is projecting it is usually the person saying someone else is projecting. Look it up.