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JUNOAK ago

This is extremely tangential but 11 days ago I wrote this:

Yea, I think this article is right on about this whole thing. Also I think one thing that happens with conspiracy theories is that the claims and evidence rarely get MORE specific, instead the evidence remains shallow and simply the scope of it grows. Like if you were investigating a murder you would start to question people and come up with some hypotheses and then start to narrow them down with more evidence to figure out actually what happened. Instead with conspiracies the evidence rarely gets more specific it just leads to things that aren't related to it.

Like how this started about pedophilia among the DNC people. And then Marina Abramovic was mentioned so satanism was thrown in, and then people started looking into the pizza place and coming up with stuff about Alefantis, and then people started looking into the places AROUND the pizzeria. Also the number of people complicit in this is growing exponentially. At first it would have to be all the DNC people that were in those email lists, and now it's grown to basically all of the MSM has to be complicit and the cops and pretty much that whole block where the pizza place is.

Conspiracy theories grow wider not deeper

SpikyAube ago

I agree with you on this post. I just wrote this in fact:

I don't like this, I think it's dodgy. i don't think the presidents thing is weird at all, I think it seems like a funny marketing type thing. They might have some weird stuff and they might be related, but I think it's not worth posting about anything like this unless you have something concrete that links directly with one of the high profile politicians/political insiders. Otherwise you are running the risk of being horrible to potentially innocent people who've done nothing wrong, and you also make it more likely that this platform on Voat will get banned, and that fewer people will realise that the pedophile connections are actually real and there. Because a lot of these links are kind of tenuous and the pictures aren't as weird or damning as Comet pizza's pictures with actual children in them.

In fact, when I read this I thought you might be a CTR zombie, sent to stir up trouble and make us all look like we're crazy trying to find meaning in any and everything to do with pizza and/or hotdogs and that we're dangerous in that we're exposing ordinary everyday people and their small businesses to a vigilante group of pedo-hunters. Apologies if that's not the case, but either way, I think it is best to focus more on the other leads and connections to the Clinton Foundation and known human trafficking hotspots etc, rather than going on a wild goose chase across social media and looking for evidence of anything at all weird or pizza-related. That way lies trouble and it is not a very good research/investigative technique at all.

But that is this one post. It definitely goes deeper and gets more specific with the people following the substantial leads. But I think you know that. I don't understand why you are here, reading all of this stuff if you are so sure that it's not true, commenting on everything to say that this is just like any other crazy conspiracy theory where people fit the facts to the story rather than seeing what story emerges from the facts - yet whenever you are challenged on that notion and given specific examples and arguments that show you're wrong, you don't respond. Because t's actually YOU who's trying to fit facts around a false narrative, only cherry picking one or two points to try to make your case while ignoring everything else. You're the crazy conspiracy theorist in this instance, with your theory that people investigating this pedophile/child trafficking ring are all just wrong and delusional. You started with that premise and you're holding onto it no matter what.

JUNOAK ago

My main point that you'll see if you look through my comment history is: do not throw around these serious accusations as if they were nothing, if you see something you feel is suspicious call it that and leave it at that. I'm just doing my part to help this thing not become a witch hunt. Which your post is definitely much appreciated.

whenever you are challenged on that notion and given specific examples and arguments that show you're wrong, you don't respond

This stings a little seeing how I wrote you an almost 1,500 word response yesterday. haha, you may not have seen since it was a little too long after the post was first posted. But it won't go to waste, I'll probably make a standalone post out of it.

Also, I corrected two of MillenialFalcon's points on the sticky so it's not as if I'm simply criticizing and not contributing.

I have other reasons for why I do this but I'd rather not get anymore specific. I just happen to be one of the only people on here with a critical view of this thing so I feel a certain burden.

SpikyAube ago

Oh I'm sorry if I missed your comment! Oops, I will go back and look for it!

I agree that it's important to keep a critical eye, because there are lots of great people wanting to help but who aren't experienced with research and evidence and what you can and can't draw conclusions from, etc. And because it's such an important topic and so important not to get it wrong and give any reason for people to dismiss the whole thing, it's really important to have people pointing out when things aren't right or are overreaching etc.

I do think though that at a certain point, you can have too many coincidences and connections for it to be random chance. I've been following along quite closely and can see that it's not a case of people casting around for anything that will substantiate the narrative and ignoring everything that refutes it. I've never seen any co-called 'crazy conspiracy theory' that developed this way or had so much historical precedent, so much media censorship etc. I mean the '9/11 truth movement' never got shut down this hard and fast, and you'd think they'd want to prevent that 'fake news' getting out there too.

Anyway, sorry for being grumpy at you, you're right it's good to have a critical eye and to watch out for anything that might go awry. I just find it so hard to understand how you can be here and presumably have looked through all the findings, and still think there's nothing to it! Unless you're just playing Devil's Advocate? (Possibly literally, in this case? :-p)